A Divided DPOC Passes Resolution Supporting Freeway Site for Veteran’s Cemetery

Of the 44 voting Democratic Party of Orange County Central Committee members voting at the November meeting, a resolution about where the Veteran’s Cemetery ought to go passed on a vote of 27-13 with 4 abstentions.  The resolution, posted below, isn’t so much about the Veteran’s Cemetery as it was about supporting Irvine Council member Melissa Fox’s vote.  Listening to her describe her work in making the land swap happen, you get the impression the Veteran’s cemetery was her idea alone.  Eleven months on the council is a far cry from 2014 when former Council member Larry Agran started this process with Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva, yet praise was heaped upon Fox with no reference to Agran.

And while Fox may have won the battle last night, it was really developer Five Point’s victory because they now get to claim both the Orange County GOP and the DPOC support the land swap of the freeway site as they prepare to spend millions on a campaign to defeat a referendum that gathered more than 19,000 signatures of mostly Irvine Democrats who had to fight through all manners of obstruction to sign a petition.

Here’s the resolution:


Whereas, Orange County is home to approximately 135,000 veterans representing the third largest population of veterans in California and yet, until now, has had no final resting place in our county for veterans so that families wishing to visit a veteran’s grave or bury a loved one who has served have few options as other Southern California cemeteries require long travel or are at capacity or with a long waiting list; and

Whereas, with integrity and in commitment to Democratic Party values committed to serving veterans and their families through concrete actions and not just political rhetoric, Democratic leaders including Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva, Senator Josh Newman, Congressman Lou Correa, Irvine Councilwoman Melissa Fox, and Governor Jerry Brown in partnership with a bipartisan coalition of Veteran leaders, electeds, and residents led the way to establish the first Orange County Veterans Cemetery in Irvine on the grounds of the former El Toro Marine Air Base at a more ideal location that has less traffic impact, saves greater taxpayer dollars and requires less toxic clean-up than the first proposed site; and

Whereas, a misleading campaign to gather signatures has been launched claiming to “Save The Veterans Cemetery” even though the cemetery has been approved, dedicated and doesn’t need “saving” as paid signature gatherers claim; and

Therefore, be it resolved that the Democratic Party of Orange County strongly supports the visionary leadership of our local Democratic elected officials and veterans’ leaders to establish the Veterans Cemetery at its current site; and

Be it further resolved that the Democratic Party of Orange County opposes the misleading tactics and communication with Irvine residents by the referendum proponents to initiate a zoning change, the effect of which would likely eliminate the development of a Veterans Cemetery in Orange County.

CO-AUTHORED BY: Resolutions Committee members Carina Franck-Pantone, Diana Lee Carey, Tony Bedolla, Jeff LeTourneau, Jonathan Adler and Senator Josh Newman.

Both sides had passionate speakers for and against the resolution ( I argued against it ).  And both sides passed out Fact Sheets and the facts often contradicted each other.

There are going to be a number of battles over this issue before it’s ultimately resolved.  I’d like to clarify a few things.

Bill Cook from OCVMP was in attendance last night and I did remind everyone he called those who did not serve “Candyasses.”  He shouted “Tell the Truth” from the back of the hall.  I did and Harvey Liss, who the Candyass comment was also directed to at the Irvine Target that Saturday afternoon, was there to back me up.  Hard to call someone a liar when a material witness was in the room.

Bill Cook harasses Harvey Liss in Irvine (c) 2017, TheLiberalOC

Cook did speak and dug into the weeds a bit about a paved road through the ARDA site and how that’s something the Veteran’s Admnistration forbids.  He neglected to mention that three are three roads in the freeway site including Marine Way.

No one — for lack of time perhaps — was able to address why 125 acres of ARDA zoned as parkland lost more than half it’s value with nothing about the property changing when it was assessed at $9 million two years ago.  Is it so FivePoint can score nice low property taxes for their office building entitlements they will get to build?  Concerns were expressed for cemetery workers exposure to hazardous contamination if the ARDA site is where the Cemetery goes; but no concern at all for men and women who might work in buildings erected on the ARDA site via FivePoint entitlements.

There was a claim that every elected Democrat in Orange County supports the land swap.  Those 13 votes against were from elected Democrats to the Central Committee.  Melissa Fox is the only elected Democrat in Irvine who supports the land swap.  Every former elected official in Irvine is against it.  Every legislative action used to make the land swap happen can be reversed without hurting the ability of the Veteran’s cemetery to be built.  And for the pro-Land swap crowd, debate isn’t even allowed on social media sites.  If you have a different opinion, you’re banned or blocked.  Didn’t Vets fight for the freedom of speech?

Last night’s resolution will not stop the referendum from coming to the ballot.  There will be some bad signatures on the petitions and the recision forms turned in by Team Fox (I have spoken with no fewer than 10 people who signed the recision forms but did not sign the petition.  In addition, while there were paid signature gatherers for Veteran Ed Pope’s petition, more than half of those assembling signatures were Irvine residents and volunteers — and I’m one of them.

So the side I was on lost a battle Monday night.  There will be more battles to come.  Besides the referendum, there’s a lawsuit.  I trust the 19,000 plus who signed the petition.  So should the party.



  25 comments for “A Divided DPOC Passes Resolution Supporting Freeway Site for Veteran’s Cemetery

  1. junior
    November 28, 2017 at 9:41 pm


  2. Fred Smith
    November 29, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Serial wifebeater/drunk driver/deadbeat dadVictor Valladares is now crying that the DPOC is treating him unfairly due to his skin color. Really, Victor? Maybe it’s because you hang out in gay strip clubs and post video from there, because you beat women, threaten their lives, don’t support your children and run around with married women (at least for now) like Katheryn Clark and Gina Clayton Tarvin. Did you ever think that people just don’t like you because you are you?

  3. truth teller
    November 29, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    Very well stated Dan, and I have heard Bill Cook state people that did not serve are “Candyasses”. 19,000 concerned Irvine residents signed the petition and they want to have a say. There are more petitions out there because the people are not being heard, only certain developers have a say and they have the ear of 3 council members; Fox, Shea and Wagner. The people are fed up.

  4. truth teller
    November 29, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    Will the DPOC cry foul when 5PT and Starpointe Ventures puts out flyers that the DPOC supports them and the land swap against the 19,000 plus Irvine citizens or will DPOC try to maintain their independence and try to get out of the mess they got themselves into in putting up this resolution.

  5. Rachel
    November 29, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    I’m concerned about what the strawberry fields will become if the land swap doesn’t happen….no one seems to mention anything about that. I don’t want any houses, apartments, or large buildings being constructed there! Also, no one better even think about getting rid of the 2 giant beautiful blimp hangars!

  6. Stephen A. Smith
    November 30, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    This city council is absolutely owned by FivePoint (Emile Haddad) and their paid lobbyist Patrick Strader. Watch how Wagner, Shea and Fox vote–they will never vote or even do anything in the future that will be opposed to FivePoint or Stader’s interest. Just last Tuesday, the 3 puppets voted to approve a gigantic commercial development near the airport for one of Strader’s clients. But wait, Fox has repeatedly said she has never voted for any development in Irvine. Well now she has.

    Each party should remember that Haddad and Strader supported Agran and his group when they were in the majority and now support the Republicans because they are in the majority. They will try to get their friends elected, but when they can’t, they will do whatever they can, include make promises of future support, to win over their enemies. Two recent examples are Shea and most recently Melissa Fox.

    This developer has no loyalty to either party. The partys’ attempts to make a developer happy make Irvine residents sick.

    • Senior
      December 1, 2017 at 9:07 pm

      Fox and her little blonde bimbo sycophant point to past dems for approving the entitlements. She ran on a no-traffic no congestion platform and said NOTHING about the added traffic as a result of this building. She has every opportunity to vote no. Wonder how many goodies they are getting from strader. How is it that schott was the only one that seemed to hear the constituents?

  7. Saw Bill at Target being inappropriate
    December 1, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    Bill Cook is a “professional veteran” the same way Gustavo Arellano is a “professional Mexican.” Bill lies like a rug to protect his reputation. He’s an asshole.

  8. Fred
    December 3, 2017 at 12:35 pm
  9. 4th District Resident
    December 3, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    Wow, this website sure is a cesspool. Jerry Springer would be proud.

    • December 4, 2017 at 7:47 am

      and yet, here you are.

      People are free to comment here. Commenters are responsible for their comments.

      • 4th District Resident
        December 4, 2017 at 10:42 am

        You publish them, so you are too.

        I came here because I saw you promoting some rich guy who doesn’t live in my district for County Supervisor. And then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments left by your friends on other posts.

        Does anybody here ever say anything that isn’t defamatory?

        Just curious.

        • December 4, 2017 at 5:11 pm

          Joe lives in the 4th district and is from the 4th district. He didn’t always but he does now.

          I do not know the identity of many of those who comment unless they post under their own names.

          • 4th District Resident
            December 4, 2017 at 7:24 pm

            No, he lives in his million dollar mini-mansion Coto de Caza with his wife and kid.

            He got himself a fake address in Brea in somebody else’s house.


            As to you and your vulgar friends who maliciously defame others, all I can say is what goes around, comes around.

        • Fred
          December 4, 2017 at 7:31 pm

          What is “defamatory” about exposing a drunken wifebeater like Victor Valladares? It’s all documented. Meantime, maybe it’s time for Harley and Victor to explain why they are hanging out at Gina Clayton Tarvin’s house. Even though her husband is divorcing her, it still looks very weird. Katheryn Clark, as the woman who dumped her husband and kids for Victor, do you find it weird? Maybe we can ask Vern once he’s out of jail.

          • 4th District Resident
            December 5, 2017 at 9:33 am

            I kind of feel sorry for you. But not really. What a loser.

            Get help. Then get a life.

            • December 5, 2017 at 9:47 am

              I am not responsible for your opinion of me and I don’t care. I have a life. A pretty good one. And I’ll point out, you lack the courage to post under your name.

              • The Force
                December 5, 2017 at 10:12 am

                You just admitted to being”Fred”.

                Then attacked someone for posting annoymously.

                Either a beautiful fruedian slip or you can’t even navigate commenting on your own blog.

                Nice pick, DPOC. Got yourselves a real communications wizard.

                • December 5, 2017 at 10:37 am

                  I don’t know who Fred is, nice try. I get insulted by anon commenters all the time; and anon commenters leave awful comments about other people. If you know me at all, then you’d know if I feel strongly about something, I say it myself and put my name to it. Fred’s writing style and mine are very different, so you lose that argument too. If you truly want to have a debate, out yourself and lets talk about it. Otherwise, I’ll ignore you like I do most anon comments

              • 4th District Resident
                December 5, 2017 at 11:09 am

                Wow! I wasn’t even addressing you and you went off. Are you “Fred” or do you just have a really guilty conscience?

                • December 5, 2017 at 11:13 am

                  You must have reading comprehension issues. scroll down and you’ll see my answer. I’m not Fred. I don’t know him. He can comment here just like you can.

                • Seriously?
                  December 5, 2017 at 11:24 am


                  You mean scroll up.

                  Best but insult sometime if you’re going to insist on behaving like an idiot.

                  Try some humble pie. Might help with boot camp this holiday season.

                • December 5, 2017 at 11:41 am

                  I see comments in a different dashboard; and bootcamp is going well, thanks for asking. Try sticking to a single screen name, OK?

                • 4th District Resident
                  December 5, 2017 at 5:38 pm

                  Boot camp? What is that?

  10. Fred
    December 5, 2017 at 11:43 am

    He is not Fred, trust me. I am Fred. And I am happy to help the party purge itself of cancers like Valladares, Tarvin, Clark, Nelson, Diamond and any others that care so little for their party. Victor is a wifebeater, period. He almost killed that woman for gods sake.

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