Los Alamitos Councilman Dean Grose: From Email Racist to Facebook Revolutionary

Dean Grose

Dean Grose

Almost four years ago Los Alamitos Councilman Dean Grose resigned in disgrace after sending out a racist attack on President Barack Obama to some of his constituents. Well he’s at it again. Grose commented today on a Facebook post by Republican (TEA Party activist) Allan Bartlett about lines of people outside a gun show at the Orange County Fairgrounds. His comment was “Uniting America against Obama’s regieme one AK47 at a time!” (spelling error is his).

Sending out by email a picture depicting a watermelon garden on the White House lawn is tasteless and unbecoming of an elected official. Calling for people to take up arms against the government is by an order of magnitude far more serious. While his quip might get chuckles from his TEA Party brethren, as Ted Nugent learned, the Secret Service doesn’t take too kindly to such “jokes.” And while it is likely that, as in Nugnet’s case, the Secret Service would find his commentary to not be a substantive threat against the president, advocating for armed resistance against the United States government can get you charged with treason.

WhiteHouseWatermelonWhile the voters who chose to return Grose to a seat on their city council, I suspect that the majority thought he had realized that his commentary in 2009 was wrong and that he wouldn’t repeat his mistake again. Looks like that assumption was wrong. In office for a little more than one month, and he has already become and embarrassment to their city, AGAIN.

Chris Thompson, Fullerton School District

Chris Thompson, Fullerton School District

Of course, it isn’t only Grose who is dancing on the ridiculous rhetoric stage. Fullerton School Board member Chris Thompson chimes in a number of times on Bartlett’s post. His first comment out of the gate:

Chris Thompson I hope that a RIDICULOUS number of weapons and tons of ammo are sold this weekend. I also hope that it becomes more and more clear to all levels of SUBORDINATE government, that the American people are armed to the teeth and as covetous of our freedoms as we are of our very lives.

Are these really the values we want an elected official, responsible for the education of our children, to reflect?

I have no problem with people having guns for protection in their homes or hunting. I do have a problem with the wild west mentality that everyone should carry a gun for protection. I definitely see no reason, other than armed insurrection that Grose seems to be calling for, for people to have assault weapons and high capacity magazines for those weapons.

Below are some of the comments to Bartlett’s Facebook post.

Hearing reports from friends that the line to get into the gun show over at the fairgrounds is ridiculously long.

Dean Grose Uniting America against Obama’s regieme one AK47 at a time!

7 hours ago · Like · 1

Mark Wallace They’re all waiting to see if anything will be left after Megan Barth concludes her purchasing. ;-)

6 hours ago · Like · 2

Allan Bartlett Obama has created a sense of urgency for those that hadn’t owned guns previously.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 3

Pete Dahlen Obama should be gun salesman of the year!!

6 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1

Allan Bartlett It’s amazing what a dictator like him will do for gun sales.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 3

Michael Wayne I’m sure it’s wall to wall Obama supporters today…bwahahaha

6 hours ago · Like

Allan Bartlett I bet if you did a straw poll there, he would only get a handful of votes out of the thousands that are attending…..basically a rounding error.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Michael Wayne I’ll give that crowd to Ron Paul…

6 hours ago · Like · 1

Allan Bartlett All those guns in one place and I bet no one gets hurt. How could that be?

6 hours ago via mobile · Like

Pete Dahlen I think Feinstein came in 2nd for gun salesman of the year!! LOL

6 hours ago · Like

Michael Wayne Remarkable…<vbg>

6 hours ago · Like

Allan Bartlett I wish I was the owner of that Gun Show. That guy is making bank.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Chris Thompson I hope that a RIDICULOUS number of weapons and tons of ammo are sold this weekend. I also hope that it becomes more and more clear to all levels of SUBORDINATE government, that the American people are armed to the teeth and as covetous of our freedoms as we are of our very lives.

6 hours ago · Like · 3

Allan Bartlett The NRA usually has a sign up booth right at the entrance as well and I’m sure there are lots of people renewing and signing up as new members.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like

Chris Thompson I’ve gotta tell you Allan, while I am grateful for the presence of the NRA, I am not terribly impressed with their strategic acumen of late.

6 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1

Allan Bartlett Gun Owners of America is a better group than the NRA. They are way more freedom oriented, but they don’t have near the numbers that the NRA does.

6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 3

Chris Thompson “Obama violates Constitution.” That’s the lead from that bastion of conservative dogma, AP, right now.

6 hours ago · Like

  22 comments for “Los Alamitos Councilman Dean Grose: From Email Racist to Facebook Revolutionary

  1. NotPedroza'sPRFirm
    January 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    And don’t forget, Allan Bartlett is an Irvine Finance Commissioner. He’s a public official too and a major league douchebag

  2. Allan Bartlett
    January 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Must be a real slow news day to be copying stuff from my Facebook wall.

    • January 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

      Allan,

      When elected officials write this type of stuff, it’s news; slow day or not.

    • January 27, 2013 at 5:50 pm

      Allan in case you’re wondering, I did get a tip, from outside the LiberalOC blog team, to look at your Facebook page. I have more important things to do than check out your page on a regular basis.

  3. jose s.
    January 27, 2013 at 8:22 am

    The tea party needs to rename itself “the scared white peoples liberation front” and what pigs like dean grose and allan bartlett dont realize if the shit ever hits the fan in this country its people like them who are gonna be taken out first no matter how many guns they have.

    • junior
      January 27, 2013 at 9:05 am

      “Real nice” comment there jose s.

      Do you care to explain what you mean by “it’s people like them who are gonna be taken out first ..”?

      I thought that you had more sense than to say something like that.

      • January 27, 2013 at 2:36 pm

        It makes about as much sense as teabaggers who stupidly comment that all the Hispanics attending the gun show must be gangbangers. Most of the folks I see at the show (yes, I attend)simply like guns and want to see what’s available. Oh yeah, it’s generally a cheaper place to buy ammunition, too.

  4. RHackett
    January 27, 2013 at 8:56 am

    First off. I support the 2nd Amendment.

    That being said, I always chuckle at the scared white folks who believe they need to stand in line for hours to buy ammo at inflated prices. I’m reminded of the line from the first Wall Street, “a fool and his money are lucky enough to come together in the first place.”

    Second, I laugh even harder when those same scared white folk start quoting the Founding Fathers as the basis of their beliefs. Even the Founding Fathers didn’t apply the 2nd Amendment to their contemporaries. Slaves weren’t allowed to own guns. Even freed blacks weren’t allowed to own guns.

    Third, the biggest laff riot is that so-called American loving conservatives always seem to have a dystopian view of America’s future. This is nothing new. I’ve only been hearing about how America was going downhill and doomed to implosion since the Eisenhower Administration.

    Lastly, for all those scared white folk out there who believe they need protection. From who? Minorities? They have guns as well. The government? Do they really believe a group of folks with AR-15′s will be able to stand up to the modern US military that is equipped with nuke subs, fighter planes, and smart bombs? The conservative delusional fantasies never cease to amaze me. Which is getting harder to do as I get older.

    • January 27, 2013 at 2:56 pm

      “for all those scared white folk out there who believe they need protection. From who? Minorities? They have guns as well. The government? Do they really believe a group of folks with AR-15′s will be able to stand up to the modern US military that is equipped with nuke subs, fighter planes, and smart bombs?”

      Tell that to the World War II French, German and Polish Resistance fighters who were outgunned. Tell that to the American Colonists who fought against the British so you could exercise your right to free speech. And, lest we think it only happens in the past, tell it to the Mujahadeen who fought an underground war against the Soviets or the North Vietnamese “Viet Cong” who fought against the South and their allies (that would be us).

      And, RH, yes, people should have the right to protect themselves from the criminal element when that criminal element is armed and the government is unwilling or unable to enforce the thousands of anti-gun laws currently on the books. New laws simply abrogate law-abiding citizens’ rights under the Constitution while doing nothing to solve the problem.

      Don’t you find it interesting that, while the President and his bufoon VP rally for an assault weapons ban (along with the gun-toting Feinstein) that police and Federal departments are making new purchases of those weapons? I’d feel a lot better about turning in my weapons if the cops turned their in at the same time.

      • RHackett
        January 27, 2013 at 8:16 pm

        Jeff,

        You want to compare the militaries of that era to the present one? That’s a hoot.

        The reason those groups you cite as being able to hold off the military of the day is because those militaries were interested in avoiding civilian casualties in foreign countries.

        Why don’t you read up on the tyrants and how they subjugated the civilian populations of the countries they overthrew. Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin. Those are better examples. How did the civilian populations fare against a tyrant that was home grown?

        Your comparison isn’t a valid comparison.

        But please keep up with the belief that a group of folks with AR-15s are going to prevail against a SEAL team with access to satellite intel or a squadron of fighter planes that will have no restraint to rain death on an entire city without regard to consequences.

        • Rainicorn
          February 6, 2013 at 9:22 am

          It’s true– doubtful my neighborhood could withstand a Spectre gunship attack. I didn’t hear mention the South’s succession and subsequent armed “disagreement” over “personal property rights” and Federal oppression in this little exchange. ( Those guys lost). I feel the current danger is not the owning of arms–it’s the present paranoia and willingness to use them for simple policy disagreements.

      • Rainicorn
        February 6, 2013 at 11:42 am

        The French, German & Polish Resistance had Allied help. The American Revolution might well have been DOA without French help. A good friend of mine didnt go to the Olympics and we spent a ton of money helping out the Mujahideen. If the South Vietnamese only needed small arms, why did we send planes, artillery, and other weapons? Your view of history omits the part where the resolve of the people PLUS the righteousness of a cause that resonates with others helps. South Vietnam is no longer. There were many 18th century French revolutionary revolts. Tianenmen Square was years ago. The South lost. Two night passes by properly equipped AC 130 gunships might very well be able to place a round in every square foot of every house in my housing tract. I have no problem with sensible people owning guns. Paranoia and dislike of current legislation coupled with romantic ideas that uprising against “tyranny” can simply be remedied by neighborhood gun range meetings is dangerous. 2nd amendment, yes. Silly romanticism,no.

  5. Dan Chmielewski
    January 27, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I think if you guy a gun to stand up to our tyrannical government, you don’t have the mental capacity to own a firearm. Remember Waco, Ruby Ridge? There is a word for those who take up arms against government/ law enforcement — criminals. LaPierre’s statement about the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun…how can you tell them apart?

    • January 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm

      Remember Walton County, Springfield Township? Of course not, because they were not published in the mainstream, liberal media. But, both incidents save lives because of permit holders who were willing to protect life with a firearm. How about Bexar County, Texas? That happened only two days after Sandy Hook and, because of an off-duty armed deputy working security, another tragedy was averted.

      How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? I don’t think it is too hard.

      Oh, and don’t stand on Waco and Ruby Ridge to strongly. My opinion is that both incidents were so poorly handled by the Feds, it resulted in the unnecessary loss of life. Maybe we need protection from the Feds after all.

  6. jose s.
    January 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    First of all junior i have no sense, secondly all these brainless freaks who stand in line for hours to buy overpriced ammo and guns because they think that the “socialist” in the white house is coming for their guns and this might be their last chance to own one to protect liberty and freedom before the “black man in the white house” comes to put them in internment camps. Junior, you know why “people like that” call obama a socialist and a communist? Its their way of of calling him a nigger without actually saying the word. They are scared white people not being able to come to terms with the fact the country is changing. All these nutjobs have to do is make the first move to overthrow our government

  7. jose s.
    January 27, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Pt.2 and it will be peoplee like me who will do whatever it takes to stop them. I love my guns and i cant bring myself to kill an animal but i wouldnt think twice about killing a human who was trying to overthrow my government. Now run along junior dont make me call on “have you seen juniors grades” to straighten your arse out.

  8. January 27, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    It’s quite a reach to say Grose’ comments would attract the attention of the Secret Service as a threat to Obama. It’s not even an insult, simply an observation. Nugent actually made comments that could loosely be translated (especially if you followed the guy all these years)into a threat. But, even that is a reach.

    Don’t let your anti-gun paranoia get the best of you, Chris.

    • January 27, 2013 at 5:45 pm

      If you read further, the more difficult situation for Grose is not the Secret Service, it’s Homeland Security. Grose certainly seems to be advocating stopping the “Obama Regime” with AR-15′s. That could be construed as treason. And while prosecution may be unlikely, the pain of a probing investigation would be significant.

      • January 27, 2013 at 6:27 pm

        Fear the Government that fears your gun.
        Suggested readings:
        1) The Declaration of Independence
        2) Why Obama Should be Impeached
        An Indictment of Obama for War Crimes, Cover-Ups, & Blatant Violations of the US Constitution
        http://larouchepac.com/obamawatch

        • RHackett
          January 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm

          Bob,

          Just so you know. Aluminum foil can be bought in bulk at Costco.

  9. Dan Chmielewski
    January 28, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    “I hope that a RIDICULOUS number of weapons and tons of ammo are sold this weekend. I also hope that it becomes more and more clear to all levels of SUBORDINATE government, that the American people are armed to the teeth and as covetous of our freedoms as we are of our very lives.” — Chris Thompson, Fullerton School Board member.

    To me, this statement is treasonous and calls for Americans to take up arms *against* the government and not what the second amendment was about which was to take up arms to *defend* the government and our liberties. For those Fullerton teachers out there, just how is the second amendment being taught in your classrooms?

  10. Chris Caudana
    February 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    To put Dean Grose’s comment in context. . . Had he made a similar comment in the years following 911, he would have been branded an “Unamerican Traitor”. Freedom of Speech had no place in the “You’re with us or against us” Bush era. Yet these ignorant blockheads have the nerve to label Obama a socialist. Do some reasearch, learn some facts.

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