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Don’t take the bait Pedroza.

Let this one go away like a worthless Jubal post.

Don’t do it. It’s a cheap hook.

agreed, this is a ridiculous post! you might as well put “paid for by Krom for congress” at the bottom of this blog already! this website deserves no attention.

Krom has paid nothing. And its the OJ Blog that deserves no attention.

I’m confused. Who is the victim in the post? Is it Krom or Dan/Chris? I mean liberals are so good claiming victim hood status that it looks like they are climbing over each other to say poor poor me.

Dan, you take plenty of shots at people. And I don’t see you criticizing King Larry for bringing Shea’s daughter into a city election back in the 90s.

Should he apologize? Write about that if you want to be fair. Criticize Larry and ask Beth if she supports Larry’s tactic back then. Dare you.

Don –
There is ZERO evidence that Larry “brought Shea’s daughter into a city election in the 90s.” Shea was termed out then and not on the ballot and Shea’s problems were made public via voice mails issued by the late Council member Dave Christensen. Only Shea accused Larry of “leaking” the story to the press and even Frank Mickadeit reported recently that there is no evidence that this ever happened.

The difference in Shea’s case and Krom’s is that Shea’s daughter committed a crime that she pleaded guilty to (she really had no choice; while she had the right to remain silent, someone should have put a gag on her mother) and the voicemails released by Christensen contained threats from Shea to use the power of her office on the Irvine City Council in a punitive fashion to go after the Irvine PD.

Noah Krom committed no crime and died as the result of an accident. Beth Krom has not used her position as a city council member to extract any special consideration for her family in this case. Who is the victim here? Everyone through the lowering of the standards of public discourse.

If you have proof that Larry did something untoward or unethical about Shea’s daughter, please bring it forward. There was a police report about Shea’s daughter’s arrest and a subsequent report that she had a second arrest in San Diego. Was that earleir arrest Larry’s fault too? This case is old news; there’s no evidence. Only Christina Shea’s insistence that Larry did something wrong.

And for a moment, let’s assume that Larry did leak the news to the media. When Matt Cunninghgam broke the story on Noah Krom’s death, his source was someone who got it from an Irvine city council member. Given Matt’s circle of friends, that council member was likely Shea or Choi. Nice of them to both show up for Krom’s memorial service, though Choi made it 90 minutes late.

And I only take shots at Republicans who have no problem taking shots at Democrats. It’s called fair play.

What is it about some bloggers?

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/your-los-angeles-angels-of-ana/angels-fans-why-do-you-let-dod/index.php

Gustavo does not care for commenters who may, on occasion – not as a matter of habit, comment with 2 different anonymous names. What is the big deal? I don’t get it.

In my quest for an answer Gustavo deleted the following comment:

Gustavo – This is an interesting conversation that you are having with junior and Angel Fan.

Please explain to me what the problem is with (a) posting under more than one anonymous name – as opposed to (b) posting under a single anonymous name.

Why do you consider commenter (a) cowardly and a troll and commenter (b) not cowardly and not a troll – both are using anonymous names.

Heck – all commenters could use the name “anonymous.” Really, I don’t get it – please explain.

junior / Angel Fan

Gustavo can delete or publish comments on his blog based on his judgement. Censorship, for those who need a civics lesson, pertains to the government censoring the media. Media, including blogs, can decide what is appropriate to publish or not publish based on a variety of concerns, values and standards.

So Gustavo does not have to answer the question you posed here.

Frankly, I prefer people comment under their own names. I believe we are one of the few political blogs in OC that requires our bloggers to post under their own names.

Certainly Gustavo can delete or publish comments based on his judgement, concerns, values and standards. However, it is those things and his fairness that I call into question.

Gustavo calls me a coward and a troll and will not let me defend myself from those charges on his blog. Why does he in effect shut off debate by name calling? There is no debate after that, there is only confrontation.

I don’t speak for Gustavo. We’ll shut down a thread if its hujacked or the conversation no longer follows the point of the original post. But that’s a matter of opinion.

OJ has a post up on Beth Krom’s campaign. Of course, they aren’t big fans of Melahat, but when a commenter provided stats of how much Democrat party registration has grown under Melahat’s watch, anonymous blogger RedVixen demands the commenter provide links to prove his/her claims. If only Vixen would hold Art Pedroza to the same standards…

Two other observations on RedVixen: she claims to have attended Noah Krom’s memorial. After the sort of drivel allowed on OJ which she could have deleted, it strikes me that she is a brazen and callous hypocrite for going to the service.

And she seems to be highly critical of Krom’s team, even though Krom has won, oh, five more elections that Art Pedroza has. Kinda hard to take campaign advice from someone who lacks either the spine or testicular fortitude to attach such negative rhetoric while hiding behind an alias.

Art posted a comment where he made a correction at my request that I am not a Krom campaign spokesman; but because Sean Emery quoted me in the initial Register story, well, per Art, I must be one…

ah, no. I’m not.

I have known Beth for years and I support her campaign. No matter how many times you tell these people at OJ they have it wrong, they just can’t seem to grasp what reality. Because while they are certainly entitled to their own opinions, they aren’t entitled to their own facts.

If Beth needs any advice on how to lose a campaign, I’m sure Art will be her first call. But if she ever needs to edge out Steve Rocco in a race, Art’s advice would be awesome.

I hereby like to rename the OJ Blog the “Weak Sauce Blog”, because the first cogent argument from Art And Red Vixen will lead to the destruction of our entire plane of existence. If you ask them to provide information as to why they feel the way they do, or better yet tell us how they would do things differently, they become apoplectic. Then they break out the same old, tired arguement– the DPOC is this, Melahat is that.

Art claims that he’s running a “political opinion” blog. For an opinion to matter has to based on facts as they are; its apparent for Art that his opinion is based on facts as he wants to be. And its so apparent that their agenda is to bad-mouth the DPOC and specifically Melahat. But when push comes to shove, they can’t provide any evidence to back their claims, or specifically what they would do differently– other than drive the Party off the cliff.

I have no idea why they loathe her the way they do. What wrong that either the DPOC or Melahat has committed against them. But its apparent to me that he OJ blog knows as much about OC politics as I do about particle physics, string theory, or the 2-3 match-up zone–just enough to be dangerous……

What is it about bloggers Sean Mill and Gustavo that makes them mean-spirited and vindictive?

They both called me out as a troll and Gustavo compared my comments to those of a well known SA loony-bird; yet Gustavo will not allow me to defend myself from those charges. http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/your-los-angeles-angels-of-ana/angels-fans-why-do-you-let-dod/#comments

I believe I know the answer.

Gustavo is pissed that I objected to a “hat-tip” he received from Allan Bartlett of Red County blog. http://www.redcounty.com/orange-county/2009/03/jeff-andrade-versus-the-oc-dio

Sean Mill is pissed that he and his hinky SA Planning Commission are – ZERO for EVERYTHING – in every issue with which I have been involved in support of residents and businesses against the thuggery of his commission.

junior

Art is nothing more than Sean Mill and Red Vixen’s B_TCH. He follows along with whoever makes him feel like he is in the in crowd. He only abandoned Janet after she refused to endorse him for City Council. Before that, the so called crusader for Latino Civil Rights gave her a free pass when she insulted Latino immigrants. Art is the poster boy for giving free passes to anyone who sucks up to him the most.

Why are we giving those idiots free press?

Everyone knows that the Juice is nothing more than rubbernecking for OC political insiders. It’s like driving past a crash on the freeway, you look because it’s human nature, you leave because it was much ado about a fender bender. They’re a joke and have zero credibility.

Besides, why talk about a blog that makes up identities to make it look like they’re getting more hits than they are. The folks they attract as writers are generally wacky and are ignored by both Dems and Republicans, so who cares?

Oh yeah, it’s fun to poke at them so you have more crap to read later. I don’t go there as a rule, it just makes me feel dirty and I don’t like supporting their pathetic need for attention.

I think people need to know Art’s motives are all about numbers. That’s why I put the emails up and while I removed the email addresses, I left the recipients alone so our frieds at OJ can’t say I’ve altered them. I’d rather read a blog with repsonsible citizen journalism than irresponsible gossip

Dan, you are a tool. You bring up all kinds of unsubstantiated rumors about people and then say poor Beth Krom. She is a tool just like you. You should have a donut with her.

Pray tell, F. Lee. What rumor did I write about thats unsubstantiated? Details please

Rumor: “When Matt Cunninghgam broke the story on Noah Krom’s death, his source was someone who got it from an Irvine city council member. Given Matt’s circle of friends, that council member was likely Shea or Choi.”

Where is your evidence of any of that?

Did you just pull it out of your butt?

Did Matt tell you that?

Tool.

Process of elimination. It wasn’t Larry or Sukhee; it wasn’t Beth. That leaves two. That was hardly a stretch.

I dare you to hold Christina Shea to the same standard

That makes no sense and again you are refusing to take responsibility for your words and actions. Like liberals commonly do.

I’ll make it easy for you–did Matt tell you that he got his info about Beth’s son from an Irvine council member? How do you know that? Or did you just make it up? Please answer my question.

It is amazing that you talk about other’s irresponsible blog postings and then you turn around and just make stuff up. And post it online. Kettle meet pot.

Matt told me he got his information from someone who got it from an Irvine City Council member. City Councilors were briefed Saturday. I’ve spoken with Larry and Sukhee; it’s not them. It wasn’t Beth. That leaves two others. I’m comfortable with the conclusions I’ve drawn. Even if you aren’t. Got any other examples bright eyes?

A rumor by definition is a statement or report current without known authority for its truth.

Here, you are starting a rumor, that the 2 council members told someone that Beth’s son died. But you have no knowledge that is the case.

You have now taken an unsubstantiated statement and stated it as being true. That is rumor–exactly what you claim people should stop spreading.

Why would you so hypocritical?

Shea has claimed for years that Agran leaked news of her daughter’s arrest in 2000 to the media; the Irvine Tattler was a website founded on the basis of this claim. Mickadeit himself reported he could not verify it.

You guys have missed the words “likely” in the statement. And even at worst case, hold Shea to the same standard.

Looks like you are admitting that you are spreading a rumor; exactly the whine that you make in the blog post. I find you completely dishonest. If you had any guts you would say that you were wrong, but you won’t.

Not at all; it’s my opinion based on a number of factors that reasonably lead me to the conclusion. And if you had any guts, you’d post under your own name and not an alias.