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	<title>Comments on: Saddleback Church&#8217;s Rick Warren will provide Invocation at Obama&#8217;s Inauguration</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself NorthCountyStorm, I know I was listening very, very carefully, as it appears you were. Although at the same time, I think we feel differently about what we heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself NorthCountyStorm, I know I was listening very, very carefully, as it appears you were. Although at the same time, I think we feel differently about what we heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misha---You said &quot;telling people to act on their bigotry.&quot; Obama said he did not support same sex marriage but supported domestic partnerships. Does that make him a bigot? Are all the people who think marriage should be limited between a man and a woman a bigot or is just those people who voted their beliefs and voted yes on 8? 

But again, as it was explained to me last night, Obama is thinking 5 chess moves ahead of the rest of us. He&#039;s trying to change the tone, tenor and substance of the conversations we have in this country on social and moral issues. This was a move to reach out and your disagreement and that of others with the decision only underscores the significant move it was.  It wouldn&#039;t have the same value in trying to bridge the ideological and social chasm if  you and others  thought his selection was peachy keen. Obama gets Matthew 5:43-48 for the country and I suspect that it will be a big factor in his probable success as a President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misha&#8212;You said &#8220;telling people to act on their bigotry.&#8221; Obama said he did not support same sex marriage but supported domestic partnerships. Does that make him a bigot? Are all the people who think marriage should be limited between a man and a woman a bigot or is just those people who voted their beliefs and voted yes on 8? </p>
<p>But again, as it was explained to me last night, Obama is thinking 5 chess moves ahead of the rest of us. He&#8217;s trying to change the tone, tenor and substance of the conversations we have in this country on social and moral issues. This was a move to reach out and your disagreement and that of others with the decision only underscores the significant move it was.  It wouldn&#8217;t have the same value in trying to bridge the ideological and social chasm if  you and others  thought his selection was peachy keen. Obama gets Matthew 5:43-48 for the country and I suspect that it will be a big factor in his probable success as a President.</p>
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		<title>By: Misha Houser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misha Houser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCstorm,
I was a Hillary delegate...I simply believe that Hate is not a value we need to embrace. Obama&#039;s campaign comments about gay rights weren&#039;t hateful, just misguided or uninformed. 

Warren&#039;s comments however encouraged intolerance and voters to legislate discrimination. Telling people to act on their bigotry is different. I understand Obama&#039;s strategy--that doesn&#039;t mean I have to agree with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCstorm,<br />
I was a Hillary delegate&#8230;I simply believe that Hate is not a value we need to embrace. Obama&#8217;s campaign comments about gay rights weren&#8217;t hateful, just misguided or uninformed. </p>
<p>Warren&#8217;s comments however encouraged intolerance and voters to legislate discrimination. Telling people to act on their bigotry is different. I understand Obama&#8217;s strategy&#8211;that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to agree with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why stop there? Why not turn their backs on Obama when he starts to speak? After all, he does not support gay marriage and he&#039;s the one who chose Warren.  

Most people will realize that this tactic will be counterproductive. It will have all of the participation of a Day Without a Gay.

Many of you who are po&#039;d about this were die-hard Obama supporters....did you not believe him when he said during the campaign that there was not a liberal or conservative America but only America and that his post-partisan Administration  would reach out to all the country; ?  I doubt if he ever heard Reverend Wright cite Matthew 5:43-48
but I suspect Obama has incorporated those verses into his spiritual and political vault.

I&#039;m not suggesting  that you have to be happy about this decision---in fact, Kos( who I often disagree with) is probably right that the outcry about the decision probably got Obama to make his comments about intending his Administration to be strongly supportive of gay /lesbian issues. But if you are surprised by this decision you weren&#039;t listening to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why stop there? Why not turn their backs on Obama when he starts to speak? After all, he does not support gay marriage and he&#8217;s the one who chose Warren.  </p>
<p>Most people will realize that this tactic will be counterproductive. It will have all of the participation of a Day Without a Gay.</p>
<p>Many of you who are po&#8217;d about this were die-hard Obama supporters&#8230;.did you not believe him when he said during the campaign that there was not a liberal or conservative America but only America and that his post-partisan Administration  would reach out to all the country; ?  I doubt if he ever heard Reverend Wright cite Matthew 5:43-48<br />
but I suspect Obama has incorporated those verses into his spiritual and political vault.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting  that you have to be happy about this decision&#8212;in fact, Kos( who I often disagree with) is probably right that the outcry about the decision probably got Obama to make his comments about intending his Administration to be strongly supportive of gay /lesbian issues. But if you are surprised by this decision you weren&#8217;t listening to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh No! How dare all of you criticize Barack Obama, he&#039;s our President Elect and a Democrat! He hasn&#039;t even taken office yet! We can&#039;t criticize his decisions! He&#039;s not perfect! Blah, blah, blah, etc etc etc. 

In case you didn&#039;t catch it... I&#039;m mocking quite a bit of you, who told me it was unfair to criticize Obama, or who criticized my criticisms of him. So let me return the favor.

It&#039;s Obama&#039;s inauguration, he should pick who he wants! He is bringing everyone together! Why cant we just move on! He campaign as the all-inclusive candidate, and now you folks don&#039;t want everyone to come to the party? 

hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh No! How dare all of you criticize Barack Obama, he&#8217;s our President Elect and a Democrat! He hasn&#8217;t even taken office yet! We can&#8217;t criticize his decisions! He&#8217;s not perfect! Blah, blah, blah, etc etc etc. </p>
<p>In case you didn&#8217;t catch it&#8230; I&#8217;m mocking quite a bit of you, who told me it was unfair to criticize Obama, or who criticized my criticisms of him. So let me return the favor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s inauguration, he should pick who he wants! He is bringing everyone together! Why cant we just move on! He campaign as the all-inclusive candidate, and now you folks don&#8217;t want everyone to come to the party? </p>
<p>hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope a lot of people who go to the inauguration stand up and turn their back when Warren speaks.  That seems very appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope a lot of people who go to the inauguration stand up and turn their back when Warren speaks.  That seems very appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: duplojohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>duplojohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gila writes: &quot;.......and my Gay friends&quot;  That smacks of distancing one from the issue. Why not say &quot;Gays&quot;.  I guess her Gay friends are different than others???

Chris writes: &quot;......a bit of an over reaction&quot;

Talk about Rats running from a sinking ship.

Let&#039;s call it what it is: Political Pandering.

Obviously Chmielewski has&#039;nt been to Mass in Orange county lately, where they are running from &quot;Sit, Kneel, Stand as fast as Psueduo Obamites are from Prop-8!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gila writes: &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;.and my Gay friends&#8221;  That smacks of distancing one from the issue. Why not say &#8220;Gays&#8221;.  I guess her Gay friends are different than others???</p>
<p>Chris writes: &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;a bit of an over reaction&#8221;</p>
<p>Talk about Rats running from a sinking ship.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call it what it is: Political Pandering.</p>
<p>Obviously Chmielewski has&#8217;nt been to Mass in Orange county lately, where they are running from &#8220;Sit, Kneel, Stand as fast as Psueduo Obamites are from Prop-8!.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Spaulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statement by Dr. Rick Warren, Pastor of Saddleback Church
Regarding the Invitation from President-elect Obama to Deliver
the Inaugural Invocation
Lake Forest, Calif., Dec. 18, 2008

&quot;I commend President-elect Obama for his courage to willingly take enormous heat from his base by inviting someone like me, with whom he doesn&#039;t agree on every issue, to offer the Invocation at his historic Inaugural ceremony.

Hopefully individuals passionately expressing opinions from the left and the right will recognize that both of us have shown a commitment to model civility in America.

The Bible admonishes us to pray for our leaders. I am honored by this opportunity to pray God&#039;s blessing on the office of the President and its current and future inhabitant, asking the Lord to provide wisdom to America&#039;s leaders during this critical time in our nation&#039;s history.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statement by Dr. Rick Warren, Pastor of Saddleback Church<br />
Regarding the Invitation from President-elect Obama to Deliver<br />
the Inaugural Invocation<br />
Lake Forest, Calif., Dec. 18, 2008</p>
<p>&#8220;I commend President-elect Obama for his courage to willingly take enormous heat from his base by inviting someone like me, with whom he doesn&#8217;t agree on every issue, to offer the Invocation at his historic Inaugural ceremony.</p>
<p>Hopefully individuals passionately expressing opinions from the left and the right will recognize that both of us have shown a commitment to model civility in America.</p>
<p>The Bible admonishes us to pray for our leaders. I am honored by this opportunity to pray God&#8217;s blessing on the office of the President and its current and future inhabitant, asking the Lord to provide wisdom to America&#8217;s leaders during this critical time in our nation&#8217;s history.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not supporting this guy; I attend his church on Sunday&#039;s and the sermons are actually meaningful.  Believe me, the first time there&#039;s a reference to Prop 8 or something anti-Gay, my family and I will rise as one to leave.  

Recent sermons: helping people going through a divorce.  Helping those climb out of debt.  There was some subtle Republican promotion in the &quot;real meaning of Christmas&quot; sermon, but you tend to expect that in OC.

As far as a replacement to Warren, well its a short prayer for our country and our new president.  I think its more important to focus on what the prayer is and what its about than who is saying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not supporting this guy; I attend his church on Sunday&#8217;s and the sermons are actually meaningful.  Believe me, the first time there&#8217;s a reference to Prop 8 or something anti-Gay, my family and I will rise as one to leave.  </p>
<p>Recent sermons: helping people going through a divorce.  Helping those climb out of debt.  There was some subtle Republican promotion in the &#8220;real meaning of Christmas&#8221; sermon, but you tend to expect that in OC.</p>
<p>As far as a replacement to Warren, well its a short prayer for our country and our new president.  I think its more important to focus on what the prayer is and what its about than who is saying it.</p>
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