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	<title>Comments on: Santa Ana Crime Stats and the Pols Who Distort Them</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Spaulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Santa Ana is singled out in the post is because there are several city councilmembers and a mayor running for re-election with a campaign cornerstone about crime being down. Every time they brag about crime being on the decline I am reminded of two cliches. Figures can lie and liars can figure. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Santa Ana is singled out in the post is because there are several city councilmembers and a mayor running for re-election with a campaign cornerstone about crime being down. Every time they brag about crime being on the decline I am reminded of two cliches. Figures can lie and liars can figure. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: SA is not alone</title>
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		<dc:creator>SA is not alone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure why you target SA in this post. The truth is that crime is down here and that is in spite of having the same number of officers now as we had 25 years (and a lot less people) ago. Crime is becoming more prevalent everywhere and a lot has to do with the economy. The economy goes bad and people become more desperate. More robberies, burglaries and violent crimes occur. All of the large cities are experiencing it. The economy has a lot to do with current hiring freezes, too. And not only in SA--everywhere. Toss in that criminals get coddled by the system and there is no real deterrent to them committing crimes over and over again. Art&#039;s blog constantly criticizes SAPD and I would post there but my IP address has been blocked for defending the police and other points of view that shed light on Art&#039;s lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure why you target SA in this post. The truth is that crime is down here and that is in spite of having the same number of officers now as we had 25 years (and a lot less people) ago. Crime is becoming more prevalent everywhere and a lot has to do with the economy. The economy goes bad and people become more desperate. More robberies, burglaries and violent crimes occur. All of the large cities are experiencing it. The economy has a lot to do with current hiring freezes, too. And not only in SA&#8211;everywhere. Toss in that criminals get coddled by the system and there is no real deterrent to them committing crimes over and over again. Art&#8217;s blog constantly criticizes SAPD and I would post there but my IP address has been blocked for defending the police and other points of view that shed light on Art&#8217;s lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgive the typos and grammar, was too tired from lack of sleep to proof it. oh well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgive the typos and grammar, was too tired from lack of sleep to proof it. oh well</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from wikipedia:
Over the years crime has risen over the city. The violent crimes, murders, and robberies are higher than the national average. Of all the murders in Orange County, more than half occur in Santa Ana. The city has been plagued with gangs and graffiti. Many compare this city to Los Angeles because of its overall crime rate. Most of this crime is said to be attributed to the immense poverty in the city and the number of youths joining gangs due to the fact that only 60% of students graduate high school.

that is what people see and think about our city. ive lived in Santa Ana for 30 years. During the Clinton years, there were huge sweeps that rid the city of many bad apples. If you tell someone you live in Santa Ana, they picture what wiki, and then you explain it isnt a bad place to live other then bad roads, bad politicians, and  a city budget paying individuals too much in salary. 

im a realist, auto theft is high, assaults are high and the city needs stricter code enforcement in areas that are not  in &quot;the nicer parts&quot;. everyone needs to be held accountable. the problem is workers only go into areas where they are not scared to knock on a door. whey are they scared? some is myth, some is fact. no reason one can not leave a citation or notice about cars, landscaping or something else. 

i&#039;d hire some large individuals to give out citations, one&#039;s who are not intimidated to enforce city bylaws. we should also give preference to santa ana citizens for over inflated city jobs. people take the money and run to spend it in their cities. their needs to be a cut in salaries across the board; the money then needs to be put into education and the streets. Are school system SUCKS!!! My cousin is a teacher in Santa Ana, and have had to go in myself to help her move things, put things together. I dont blame the worker there, since there is only one full time maintenance person and one part time person. It is ridiculous. Don&#039;t get me started on the lack of technology. 

You have to give Miguel a break, he graduated from engineering school many many many years ago. Since my engineering degree came after his, I&#039;ll concur with the 17% calculation. Miguel and Michele used &quot;convenient math&quot;. It is a common mathematical system employed by politicians and individuals trying to sell a flawed product. 

so we have:
one candidate who has been in office too long, but with a lot of clout in the city, a huge network and money interests everywhere. 

one candidate who doesn&#039;t have a background other then he films stuff around the world. gee that sounds great, if i wanted someone to film &quot;how to overpay employees&quot;, &quot;how to extend term limits and get away with it&quot;, or maybe &quot; i got this job and it came with a new camera&quot;

another candidate who&#039;s posted resume is pretty weak. a lot of fluff to make it seem as though her credentials are good enough to understand the city finances.  she did program telephones and went through a taxing criminal justice programming. 

im being a bit sarcastic, but only to reflect how sad it is we can not get some seriously qualified candidates other then the person who has been in office since mid 90&#039;s. that is crazy.  if i had more time, this rant/information session would go for 10 pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from wikipedia:<br />
Over the years crime has risen over the city. The violent crimes, murders, and robberies are higher than the national average. Of all the murders in Orange County, more than half occur in Santa Ana. The city has been plagued with gangs and graffiti. Many compare this city to Los Angeles because of its overall crime rate. Most of this crime is said to be attributed to the immense poverty in the city and the number of youths joining gangs due to the fact that only 60% of students graduate high school.</p>
<p>that is what people see and think about our city. ive lived in Santa Ana for 30 years. During the Clinton years, there were huge sweeps that rid the city of many bad apples. If you tell someone you live in Santa Ana, they picture what wiki, and then you explain it isnt a bad place to live other then bad roads, bad politicians, and  a city budget paying individuals too much in salary. </p>
<p>im a realist, auto theft is high, assaults are high and the city needs stricter code enforcement in areas that are not  in &#8220;the nicer parts&#8221;. everyone needs to be held accountable. the problem is workers only go into areas where they are not scared to knock on a door. whey are they scared? some is myth, some is fact. no reason one can not leave a citation or notice about cars, landscaping or something else. </p>
<p>i&#8217;d hire some large individuals to give out citations, one&#8217;s who are not intimidated to enforce city bylaws. we should also give preference to santa ana citizens for over inflated city jobs. people take the money and run to spend it in their cities. their needs to be a cut in salaries across the board; the money then needs to be put into education and the streets. Are school system SUCKS!!! My cousin is a teacher in Santa Ana, and have had to go in myself to help her move things, put things together. I dont blame the worker there, since there is only one full time maintenance person and one part time person. It is ridiculous. Don&#8217;t get me started on the lack of technology. </p>
<p>You have to give Miguel a break, he graduated from engineering school many many many years ago. Since my engineering degree came after his, I&#8217;ll concur with the 17% calculation. Miguel and Michele used &#8220;convenient math&#8221;. It is a common mathematical system employed by politicians and individuals trying to sell a flawed product. </p>
<p>so we have:<br />
one candidate who has been in office too long, but with a lot of clout in the city, a huge network and money interests everywhere. </p>
<p>one candidate who doesn&#8217;t have a background other then he films stuff around the world. gee that sounds great, if i wanted someone to film &#8220;how to overpay employees&#8221;, &#8220;how to extend term limits and get away with it&#8221;, or maybe &#8221; i got this job and it came with a new camera&#8221;</p>
<p>another candidate who&#8217;s posted resume is pretty weak. a lot of fluff to make it seem as though her credentials are good enough to understand the city finances.  she did program telephones and went through a taxing criminal justice programming. </p>
<p>im being a bit sarcastic, but only to reflect how sad it is we can not get some seriously qualified candidates other then the person who has been in office since mid 90&#8217;s. that is crazy.  if i had more time, this rant/information session would go for 10 pages.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to clarify that the 17% figure is correct.  Its a percentage change calculated as:

(current year-former year)/former year

In this case:

(6003-7224)/7224 or (-1221)/7224 = -.169 or a 17% reduction from former year to current year

This percentage change figure is a standard.  Its used everywhere all the time and is not fuzzy or weird math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to clarify that the 17% figure is correct.  Its a percentage change calculated as:</p>
<p>(current year-former year)/former year</p>
<p>In this case:</p>
<p>(6003-7224)/7224 or (-1221)/7224 = -.169 or a 17% reduction from former year to current year</p>
<p>This percentage change figure is a standard.  Its used everywhere all the time and is not fuzzy or weird math.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa Ana crime &quot;on par&quot; with Oakland? Not quite;

In 2006, Oakland had 7,599 violent crimes. That&#039;s 1,905 per 100,000 people. In 2006, Santa Ana had 1,998 violent crimes. That&#039;s 581 per 100,000 people.

I&#039;d hardly call that &quot;on par&quot; with Oakland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santa Ana crime &#8220;on par&#8221; with Oakland? Not quite;</p>
<p>In 2006, Oakland had 7,599 violent crimes. That&#8217;s 1,905 per 100,000 people. In 2006, Santa Ana had 1,998 violent crimes. That&#8217;s 581 per 100,000 people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hardly call that &#8220;on par&#8221; with Oakland.</p>
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		<title>By: art pedroza</title>
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		<dc:creator>art pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Well said.  I was on the phone with Councilwoman Michele Martinez when a young man on a bike tore her purse off her arm while she was walking to a meeting in the downtown area.  

What other city do you know of where a local politician is robbed in this fashion?

The only other one that comes to mind is Oakland, where State Senator Don Perata was carjacked some months ago.

Great.  Santa Ana is on a par with Oakland.  Not good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Well said.  I was on the phone with Councilwoman Michele Martinez when a young man on a bike tore her purse off her arm while she was walking to a meeting in the downtown area.  </p>
<p>What other city do you know of where a local politician is robbed in this fashion?</p>
<p>The only other one that comes to mind is Oakland, where State Senator Don Perata was carjacked some months ago.</p>
<p>Great.  Santa Ana is on a par with Oakland.  Not good!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Anthony Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Anthony Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Bill.

When will the truth be told?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Bill.</p>
<p>When will the truth be told?</p>
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		<title>By: thesunkenroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesunkenroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

Good short statement. I agree with you. I hope people will consider supporting an alternative to Pulido in Michele Martinez, who, as you know, is running for mayor. She has a fundraiser coming soon at her official campaign launch. I have posted the announcement at my blog and here is the facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=30520567184

Cheers man,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>Good short statement. I agree with you. I hope people will consider supporting an alternative to Pulido in Michele Martinez, who, as you know, is running for mayor. She has a fundraiser coming soon at her official campaign launch. I have posted the announcement at my blog and here is the facebook link: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=30520567184" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=30520567184</a></p>
<p>Cheers man,</p>
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