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	<title>Comments on: 241 Toll road completion will have no effect on Trestles</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: Juaneño Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/07/31/241-toll-road-completion-will-have-no-effect-on-trestles/comment-page-1/#comment-28285</link>
		<dc:creator>Juaneño Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Belardes, Who Has an Initial Agreement with TCA to Support Proposed Toll Road, Discovered to be a Non-Indian Falsely Claiming Juaneño Heritage 

TCA, the Transportation Corridor Agency, is currently in discussions with David Belardes, as a “representative” of the Juaneño Tribe, to drop opposition to the agency’s proposed toll road in exchange for a reported $350,000.  But, it turns out that David Belardes is not a Native Juaneño or even Indian and is not an enrolled member of the Juaneño Tribe. Belardes’ Non-Indian ancestry was reported by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Office of Federal Acknowledgement during the Tribe’s ongoing petition for federal recognition. Domingo Yorba, Belardes’ paternal great grandfather whom he based his ancestral claims on, was classified as a Non-Indian in the Department’s report, which is part of the public record (JBMI 84A Proposed Findings, U.S. Department of the Interior, 2007, pp. 247-252.). The genealogical and historical evidence demonstrates that both paternal great grandparents of David Belardes were in fact of Mexican and Spanish descent—not Juaneño or California Indian. 

As many Southern California residents know, in February 2008, the California Coastal Commission denied a proposal by the Transportation Corridor Agency (TCA) to extend the Foothill-South Toll Road through southern Orange County. Members of the Juaneño Tribe and other residents expressed concern that the proposed toll road could disturb sacred Juaneño ancestral sites. The TCA has since discussed a potential agreement for support of the proposed toll road with David Belardes, a San Juan Capistrano resident who falsely claims to represent the Juaneño Tribe.</description>
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<p>TCA, the Transportation Corridor Agency, is currently in discussions with David Belardes, as a “representative” of the Juaneño Tribe, to drop opposition to the agency’s proposed toll road in exchange for a reported $350,000.  But, it turns out that David Belardes is not a Native Juaneño or even Indian and is not an enrolled member of the Juaneño Tribe. Belardes’ Non-Indian ancestry was reported by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Office of Federal Acknowledgement during the Tribe’s ongoing petition for federal recognition. Domingo Yorba, Belardes’ paternal great grandfather whom he based his ancestral claims on, was classified as a Non-Indian in the Department’s report, which is part of the public record (JBMI 84A Proposed Findings, U.S. Department of the Interior, 2007, pp. 247-252.). The genealogical and historical evidence demonstrates that both paternal great grandparents of David Belardes were in fact of Mexican and Spanish descent—not Juaneño or California Indian. </p>
<p>As many Southern California residents know, in February 2008, the California Coastal Commission denied a proposal by the Transportation Corridor Agency (TCA) to extend the Foothill-South Toll Road through southern Orange County. Members of the Juaneño Tribe and other residents expressed concern that the proposed toll road could disturb sacred Juaneño ancestral sites. The TCA has since discussed a potential agreement for support of the proposed toll road with David Belardes, a San Juan Capistrano resident who falsely claims to represent the Juaneño Tribe.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Brant-Zawadzki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Brant-Zawadzki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, it&#039;s over.

A veto of the Coastal Commission&#039;s decision would require demonstration of public NEED.

Camp Pendleton said that while it&#039;d be nice to have the improvements, it was NOT NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC SECURITY.

San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station has for years claimed no position on the toll road issue, saying adequate escape routes in case of emergency currently exist. So there&#039;s no need there.

As for traffic, well, any student of transportation can tell you that more roads leads to more cars, but toll roads are CLEARLY PROVEN to be TRAFFIC INCENTIVES as compared to regular roads.

So there&#039;s no way to demonstrate public need. At all. You&#039;d look like an ass in court trying.

Can&#039;t wait to see that ass, Thornton. 

With humble respect,
Alex Brant-Zawadzki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, it&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>A veto of the Coastal Commission&#8217;s decision would require demonstration of public NEED.</p>
<p>Camp Pendleton said that while it&#8217;d be nice to have the improvements, it was NOT NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC SECURITY.</p>
<p>San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station has for years claimed no position on the toll road issue, saying adequate escape routes in case of emergency currently exist. So there&#8217;s no need there.</p>
<p>As for traffic, well, any student of transportation can tell you that more roads leads to more cars, but toll roads are CLEARLY PROVEN to be TRAFFIC INCENTIVES as compared to regular roads.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s no way to demonstrate public need. At all. You&#8217;d look like an ass in court trying.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see that ass, Thornton. </p>
<p>With humble respect,<br />
Alex Brant-Zawadzki</p>
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		<title>By: Republican dementia</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/07/31/241-toll-road-completion-will-have-no-effect-on-trestles/comment-page-1/#comment-22540</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican dementia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;Anconia resorts to name-callaing, makes assertions based  on &quot;transportation experts&quot; whose reports he&#039;s never read and can&#039;t cite, is apparently ignorant of the theories of price elasticity, hasn&#039;t done any research into the worldwide supply and demand for liquid fuels,  and is &quot;done arguing&quot; with me.

Seems like he never really started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;Anconia resorts to name-callaing, makes assertions based  on &#8220;transportation experts&#8221; whose reports he&#8217;s never read and can&#8217;t cite, is apparently ignorant of the theories of price elasticity, hasn&#8217;t done any research into the worldwide supply and demand for liquid fuels,  and is &#8220;done arguing&#8221; with me.</p>
<p>Seems like he never really started.</p>
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		<title>By: d'Anconia</title>
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		<dc:creator>d'Anconia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-

I&#039;ll be the first to admit that it was over the top to use the word stupid, and I apologize for that; but in my defense the word was used to describe his argument, not him as a person. 

Vern, if you can make me famous I&#039;ll owe you one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that it was over the top to use the word stupid, and I apologize for that; but in my defense the word was used to describe his argument, not him as a person. </p>
<p>Vern, if you can make me famous I&#8217;ll owe you one. <img src='http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gustavo -- it takes a lot to get banned here; I just want D&#039;An to mind his manners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gustavo &#8212; it takes a lot to get banned here; I just want D&#8217;An to mind his manners.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d&#039;Anconia will be a little more famous in a couple of days.  You heard it here first...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d&#8217;Anconia will be a little more famous in a couple of days.  You heard it here first&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Republican dementia</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/07/31/241-toll-road-completion-will-have-no-effect-on-trestles/comment-page-1/#comment-22305</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican dementia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clingendael International Energy Program (CIEP) is a Dutch group, not French, (and there&#039;s no Czechoslovakia anymore either).  CIEP is especially important because it is endorsed by amongst others BP, Shell Netherlands, Total E&amp;P Netherlands, three Dutch Ministries, Wintershall, Vopak Oil Europe Middle East and several Dutch energy companies.

I&#039;ve read OCTA&#039;s long term forecast and don&#039;t remember seeing anything in there about the sensitivity of trip generataion to fuel pricing, but  demand destruction is real, and it&#039;s happening right now to auto trips.

Much of the long-term regional forecasting done in the last several years is falling apart as it hits high energy prices and the aftermath of the credit bubble. But don&#039;t believe me. Go out and buy a bunch of hummers and houses in the Inland Empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clingendael International Energy Program (CIEP) is a Dutch group, not French, (and there&#8217;s no Czechoslovakia anymore either).  CIEP is especially important because it is endorsed by amongst others BP, Shell Netherlands, Total E&amp;P Netherlands, three Dutch Ministries, Wintershall, Vopak Oil Europe Middle East and several Dutch energy companies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read OCTA&#8217;s long term forecast and don&#8217;t remember seeing anything in there about the sensitivity of trip generataion to fuel pricing, but  demand destruction is real, and it&#8217;s happening right now to auto trips.</p>
<p>Much of the long-term regional forecasting done in the last several years is falling apart as it hits high energy prices and the aftermath of the credit bubble. But don&#8217;t believe me. Go out and buy a bunch of hummers and houses in the Inland Empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo Arellano</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/07/31/241-toll-road-completion-will-have-no-effect-on-trestles/comment-page-1/#comment-22283</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustavo Arellano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t ban D&#039;anconia for name-calling--I&#039;d do it &#039;cause he&#039;s an insufferable, arrogant dope. Of course, I wouldn&#039;t ban him for that, either--gives me a good laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t ban D&#8217;anconia for name-calling&#8211;I&#8217;d do it &#8217;cause he&#8217;s an insufferable, arrogant dope. Of course, I wouldn&#8217;t ban him for that, either&#8211;gives me a good laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;Anconia -- please refrain from the name calling.  Its a violation of the terms of service.  Argue your side, as you do, but refrain from the name calling.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;Anconia &#8212; please refrain from the name calling.  Its a violation of the terms of service.  Argue your side, as you do, but refrain from the name calling.  Please.</p>
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