The Democratic Party of Orange County met tonight to determine if Hoa Van Tran will be the Tan Ngynen pariah of the 2008 election cycle.
The question:
Will the Dems take a stand, or let things slide further down hill?
Questions about the ethics and integrity of Hoa Van Tran have been raised by all of the local blogs; Red County, TheLiberalOC, Bolsavik, and even Orange Juice. The Orange County Register has chronicled (after the blogs did) the gang ties of the campaign.
Nope!! Hoa keeps the endorsement. Democrats lose!!ÂÂ
Looks like the Dems are acting like the Catholic Bishops who denied child abuse. I’m not a very proud Democrat tonight.
Publisher’s Note: In the comments on this posting I made a comment regarding the Teamsters Union and their local leader Patrick Kelley that were both divisive and inappropriate. I never should have referred to my brothers and sisters in labor in such a derogatory way. I apologize for my comments, and while made in the heat of passionate discussion they were quite simply, inexcusable. I have withdrawn those comments I made from the thread of comments. I have also closed further commentary on this post.
- Chris Prevatt
OK Sean,
Color me unimpressed….We both know you’re full of it, and have nothing other than your ample hot air.. But I’ll this pledge to you, I’ll stop sniffing glue if you promise to back away from the Doritios, while watching “Revenge of the Clones” for the umpteen time in your Darth-Vader underoos.
“You people and your mob mentality does not scare or intimidate me.”
Pot, meet Kettle………….
Sean,
You jumped the shark at the OJ, think your time has come here as well. I really liked you Santa Ana takes, but your blind allegance to the goons behind Hoa is really inexcuseable.
The day Jubal’s position on an election is reality and yours is fantasy should be your cue that your time has past!
I get the argument Steve presented about pulling endorsement so close to the election, but everyone must agree that this was a very special circumstance. The issues surrounding Hoa’s campaign merited the party to revisit this endorsement.
And after watching the video’s I plan on buying a primer on Robert’s Rules for Frank. By the way if you want to pull an item from the agenda, it requires a super majority (75%) vote. And no rules exist on pulling endorsements unless local committee bylaws exist.
You know, all of this crap over a two-bit-puppet from Little Saigon is giving me a head-ache.
Sean, when Hoa loses this Tuesday, I hope that he and his boss Do Phu will slink off into oblivion along with Reynoso. Please join them.
Although, there will still be those nagging problems with campaign finance reporting that will more than likely still be hovering like the empty thought bubble over Hoa’s head when Edgardo doesn’t tell him what to say or KimChi fails to write his thoughts out for him.
Just thought you should know.
To just…asking:
It’s been decades since I had to look up Robert’s Rules, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t say anything about endorsements in there.
I’ve also never looked up the DPOC bylaws, but it seems to me that the body ought to be able to pass whatever motion is made and seconded, unless it’s contrary to the bylaws, no?
So, if the bylaws are silent on pulling endorsement, then a motion can be made and voted on to pull an endorsement. No?
questions
twice the bloggers got it wrong on Hoa losing his endorsement.
these same folks hope that hoa loses tuesday. their praying.
What happens if Hoa wins, what happens if gets in the race?
What happens to the folks that Hoa says are actively seeking to undermine his campaign, folks that work at the party? The staffers for elected officials.
anybody got an answer for that?
here’s wishing for a three way tie.
Speaking of Robert’s Rules, point of order: Hoa Van Tran does NOT equal Tan Nguyen. Tan was an evil, racist incompetent. Hoa is merely imcompetent.
Gustavo,
I will agree that Hoa Van Tran is not a racist. Hoa is an incompetent man who condones the physical, sexual and emotional harassment of female employees, and retaliated against those employees when they raise concerns causing them to quit and report his actions to authorities.
The photo describes a comparison is that Hoa Van Tran is to the Democrats, what Tan Nguyen was to the Republicans.
The difference is how the two parties responded. The Republicans did all they could which was to strongly repudiate Tan Nguyen and his actions demanding that he withdraw from the race. The Dems changed a motion that lightly repudiated the actions of Hoa Van Tran and representatives of his campaign to one that told all candidates to follow the rules and not associate with known gang members.
I am just not very clear in my opinion which is more embarrassing; Hoa’s actions and lack of control over his campaign, or the Democrats failure to find those actions worthy of removing an endorsement or strong rebuke.
“iron lion….I respect your take but”
“Since this site seems to have become The Trash Talking OC, bring it on.”
So are you saying I am trash talking, NCStorm? How can you “respect (my) take:, respectfully disagree from your experience, criticize trash talk ( I agree people need to tone down rhetoric and name calling on this site, ironically, but in the same breath, look at the formerly respectable Orange Juice for true perspective) and then trash talk yourself (“Bring it on”) ?
I mean, come on.
there is a huge difference between the two. tan nguyen is a filthy communist who made a threat to mike lawson while he was here. i actually think it’s offensive to hoa to even be compared to him.
Jose,
I think Hoa is simply offensive. That unfortunately places him in the same species category of Tan Nguyen. Homo-offensivous.
Here’s why HOA VAN TRAN and THE TRANNIES gets along well and why VAN TRAN also endorses Hoa Van Tran…. they are all peas from the same pod.
This is how Dina gets her face and her name covered in the local papers!!! By using paid writers and Van Tran’s influence over these local papers to spread his lies and propaganda!!!
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/van-trans-camp-capture-of-viet-media/
This is one of the reasons why people say Dina’s background is SHADY!!!
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/05/was-dina-nguyens-brother-arrested-in-a-huge-international-drug-bust/
This is JANET’S reponse to Dina and her clans dirty tricks of calling janet a COMMUNIST, how pathetic!!!
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/janet-hits-back/
This one you must read, it will tell you how DUMB this candidate is, it will also tell you that those that helped her campaign don’t even want the public to know; WHY? It will also tell you that Van is really the one behind this campaign, we know all along it’s Van Tran against Janet NOT Dina at all, she has no ability.
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/dina-nguyen-interview-pt2-whos-who-in-her-campaign/
Please read before you cast your vote
chris, what about: homo-offensivouscommunisticus-rex? i hope i dont offend any t-rex’s.
Is “Banned Dina” actually an internet “bot?”
Does Janet have hackers as well as hacks?
This identical comment pops up everywhere like spam, spam, spam, spam….
iron lion–Who says one can’t respect the take of a trash talker? If I can respect one of the biggest NBA trash talkers Charles Barkley I can respect you, Chris and others.
But you’re right, my question could have been posed better. How about
“But if you have some facts that would back it up(your calling Kelly a thug)I have an open mind if you want to provide specifics.” Especially about Tuesday night because as I’ve been no so gently reminded, I was not there for most of the meeting. I was told Kelly didn’t say anything and did not do anything that might be construed by a fair observer as warranting the “thug” description and I didn’t see anything like that on Art’s video(and if there was some conduct that would justify describing Patrick as a thug Tuesday night you better believe anti-union Art would have had it up on the OJ immediately.) However unlikely it is, maybe Art missed something.
I know Kelly has rubbed people the wrong way. For example some people are burned by his strong and aggressive support of Claudia Alvarez. Or for his strong and aggressive negotiating and organizing tactics for the Teamsters in their interaction with trucking companies, the OCTA and others. I just haven’t seen the evidence of his being a thug in the classic sense(though it appears you’ve backed away from the actual definition) and don’t think your own definition of thug makes sense for reasons already expressed. I’m sure there are some other adjectives to be used to describe Patrick–some of them might be applicable to me as well—I just don’t think the word thug given its incindiary use by the anti-union crowd is appropriate.
You don’t like what I say so you try and silence me?
Sean Mills complaining about being “silenced” — that’s rich!
You might try reading the comments you’ve been leaving, telling Chris and other Hoa critics to “watch their step” and other veiled threats.
Jubal,
It’s Mill not Mills.
I have not issued any threats outside of those concocted in the paranoid heads of you and Prevatt.
I just reminded folks that for every action there is a reaction. Chris Prevatt attacking the Teamsters and its leader Patrick Kelly can’t bode well for the DPOC. His slur of Kelly and the Teamsters is bound to have some sort of lasting effect on his relationship with that organization and its members. That isn’t a threat, but it is likely a reality.
I realize that you folks have been trying to play the race and fear cards in your bi-partisan attack on Hoa, but enough is enough. I haven’t threatened anyone so it doesn’t matter how many times you and Chris repeat that lie won’t make it true.
Gosh, sorry for the typo on your name.
They were veiled threats, Sean. That way you can make them, and then deny they are threats.
…paranoid heads of you and Prevatt.
Paranoid about what? Hoa’s laughably incomplete campaign disclosures and flippant attitude toward county campaign ordinance? Did I imagine the KPC members?
…you folks have been trying to play the race and fear cards…
What next? An accusation I’m engaging in “the politics of personal destruction”? Keep the cliches flying, Sean. It saves on thinking.
“It saves on thinking.”
So does posting pictures of young Latino males that were stolen from a campaign computer and accusing them all of being gang members in order to play on the racist fears of the community.
It looks like your right wing tactics are rubbing off on Chris Prevatt. You two have worked so closely on this “smear Hoa campaign” that he has taken up the right-wing mantra of union bashing. His attack on Patrick Kelly and the Teamsters was textbook Republican tactics.
Bolsavik,
You are correct, there are no rules in Robert’s that are specific to endorsements. Officially they are handled just like any other motion.
That said, many boards and clubs set up local rules for endorsements, think DPOC has the 66% rule for endorsement. Since no local rule exists for withdrawl, the 50% rule could be argued. This is where the chair and parlimentarian should be prepared.
As for the agenda item being pulled, Robert’s is very clear. Modification of an established agenda requires a “Super Majority” defined as greater than 2/3rd’s or 66%. Again the Chair has a lot of leeway here to gain concensus on a motion that most find agreeable to answer the question before the group. Think this is were Frank lost control of the meeting, likewise the Chair can stop the substitute motion train before it becomes ridiculous. Motions and substitute motions should be to the point. A motion “for” should not be sub’ed for a motion “against”, both would acheive the same result based on how you vote.
Gustavo,
Agree’d, Hoa is a good guy that is being blinded by the bright lights of this campaign. He’s no Tan!
Sean,
It was not the endorsement was so important at the meeting, it was Hoa’s credibility. Unfortunately, after reviewing all the video’s he lost badly on that point. When the only real defense of the candidate was party policy and face saving of the Central Committee the candidate himself is pretty weak.
Hope I’m wrong, but all these hinky happenings may give Van Tran what he wanted, a run-off between his Dina vs. Janet in November