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	<title>Comments on: A Retraction of Sorts and an Endorsement of None in the First District Supervisor&#8217;s Race</title>
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		<title>By: Not Dems/Not Reeps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Dems/Not Reeps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoa Van Tran has close ties to the TRANNIES, especially Dina Nguyen, they were both endorsed by Van Tran and both are protected by the Trannies so that&#039;s why they dare to bully people around.  Houser, I feel for you becuase a lot of people in our community who really wants to voice their opinion about Dina are afraid to because of her close ties to gangsters &amp; drug dealers and it&#039;s a known fact.  

Banned Dina from Politics Says: 

May 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am 
This is how Dina gets her face and her name covered in the local papers!!! By using paid writers and Van Tranâ€™s influence over these local papers
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/van-trans-camp-capture-of-viet-media/

This is one of the reasons why people say Dinaâ€™s background is SHADY!!!
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/05/was-dina-nguyens-brother-arrested-in-a-huge-international-drug-bust/

This is JANETâ€™S reponse to Dina and her clans dirty tricks of calling janet a COMMUNIST, how pathetic!!!
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/janet-hits-back/

This one you must read, it will tell you how DUMB this candidate is, it will also tell you that those that helped her campaign donâ€™t even want the public to know; WHY? It will also tell you that Van is really the one behind this campaign, we know all along itâ€™s Van Tran against Janet NOT Dina at all, she has no ability.
http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/dina-nguyen-interview-pt2-whos-who-in-her-campaign/

Please read before you cast your vote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoa Van Tran has close ties to the TRANNIES, especially Dina Nguyen, they were both endorsed by Van Tran and both are protected by the Trannies so that&#8217;s why they dare to bully people around.  Houser, I feel for you becuase a lot of people in our community who really wants to voice their opinion about Dina are afraid to because of her close ties to gangsters &amp; drug dealers and it&#8217;s a known fact.  </p>
<p>Banned Dina from Politics Says: </p>
<p>May 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am<br />
This is how Dina gets her face and her name covered in the local papers!!! By using paid writers and Van Tranâ€™s influence over these local papers<br />
<a href="http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/van-trans-camp-capture-of-viet-media/" rel="nofollow">http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/van-trans-camp-capture-of-viet-media/</a></p>
<p>This is one of the reasons why people say Dinaâ€™s background is SHADY!!!<br />
<a href="http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/05/was-dina-nguyens-brother-arrested-in-a-huge-international-drug-bust/" rel="nofollow">http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/05/was-dina-nguyens-brother-arrested-in-a-huge-international-drug-bust/</a></p>
<p>This is JANETâ€™S reponse to Dina and her clans dirty tricks of calling janet a COMMUNIST, how pathetic!!!<br />
<a href="http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/janet-hits-back/" rel="nofollow">http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/janet-hits-back/</a></p>
<p>This one you must read, it will tell you how DUMB this candidate is, it will also tell you that those that helped her campaign donâ€™t even want the public to know; WHY? It will also tell you that Van is really the one behind this campaign, we know all along itâ€™s Van Tran against Janet NOT Dina at all, she has no ability.<br />
<a href="http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/dina-nguyen-interview-pt2-whos-who-in-her-campaign/" rel="nofollow">http://bolsavik.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/dina-nguyen-interview-pt2-whos-who-in-her-campaign/</a></p>
<p>Please read before you cast your vote</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I made no such reference to this incident on the 55 in my post, I have to assume you are from the campaign Alabaster.  I think I&#039;ve mentioned I got a number of emails and phone calls from interested parties leading up to the crafting of the response.  One such tip was the alleged &quot;55 road rage&quot; case.  So to verify the information, I asked Edgardo what kind of car he drives.  When his car and another belonging to Hoa Van Tran didn&#039;t match the description of the car I was told was used in the alleged incident, the facts didn&#039;t check out sufficietly enough for me to post this as a part of my story.

But thanks to your question, everyone reading this will know that I asked Edgardo about it. 

Cahoots?  No.  Holding every bit of information given to me up to scruntiny, yes.

And since you&#039;re with the campaign, perhaps you can explain why I&#039;m still waiting for Edgardo to get back to me with simple answers to direct questions.  

And since you&#039;re with the campaign, leaving a summons at Misha&#039;s door without handing it to her personally is not proper service.  You guys are showing what amateurs you are at managing a campaign and with the decisions you&#039;re making about where to focus your energies, you&#039;re proving to everyone that Hoa Vn Tran has a bunch of clown shoes running his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I made no such reference to this incident on the 55 in my post, I have to assume you are from the campaign Alabaster.  I think I&#8217;ve mentioned I got a number of emails and phone calls from interested parties leading up to the crafting of the response.  One such tip was the alleged &#8220;55 road rage&#8221; case.  So to verify the information, I asked Edgardo what kind of car he drives.  When his car and another belonging to Hoa Van Tran didn&#8217;t match the description of the car I was told was used in the alleged incident, the facts didn&#8217;t check out sufficietly enough for me to post this as a part of my story.</p>
<p>But thanks to your question, everyone reading this will know that I asked Edgardo about it. </p>
<p>Cahoots?  No.  Holding every bit of information given to me up to scruntiny, yes.</p>
<p>And since you&#8217;re with the campaign, perhaps you can explain why I&#8217;m still waiting for Edgardo to get back to me with simple answers to direct questions.  </p>
<p>And since you&#8217;re with the campaign, leaving a summons at Misha&#8217;s door without handing it to her personally is not proper service.  You guys are showing what amateurs you are at managing a campaign and with the decisions you&#8217;re making about where to focus your energies, you&#8217;re proving to everyone that Hoa Vn Tran has a bunch of clown shoes running his campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: alabaster-lentes</title>
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		<dc:creator>alabaster-lentes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny boy 

can you please explain how you came to ask edgardo about the alleged incident on 55 or it appears that you are in cahoots?  


and no mention of Melahat&#039;s role in allof this.  Hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny boy </p>
<p>can you please explain how you came to ask edgardo about the alleged incident on 55 or it appears that you are in cahoots?  </p>
<p>and no mention of Melahat&#8217;s role in allof this.  Hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: just...asking?</title>
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		<dc:creator>just...asking?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Excellent post!

Reads like a history lesson of a failed campaign.  Lots of blame to go around, but ultimately the responsibility must lie with the candidate.  Hoa is a good guy, but just has not displayed the leadership necessary to be a supervisor (by the way I don&#039;t think Janet has either).  Democrat or otherwise he does not deserve our support.

Your reply to Paul was my question also.  Paul you respond like you were running Hoa&#039;s campaign and you had the power to stop the harrassment of workers and volunteers.  Is this like the time you got Loretta elected?  Or Lou elected?  Or damaged the political career of Van Tran?  You must understand by now that your comments are hard to take based upon your actions of the last few months. TIP got it right Paul, you should heed that advice and lay low for a while if you are still serious about Garden Grove CC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Excellent post!</p>
<p>Reads like a history lesson of a failed campaign.  Lots of blame to go around, but ultimately the responsibility must lie with the candidate.  Hoa is a good guy, but just has not displayed the leadership necessary to be a supervisor (by the way I don&#8217;t think Janet has either).  Democrat or otherwise he does not deserve our support.</p>
<p>Your reply to Paul was my question also.  Paul you respond like you were running Hoa&#8217;s campaign and you had the power to stop the harrassment of workers and volunteers.  Is this like the time you got Loretta elected?  Or Lou elected?  Or damaged the political career of Van Tran?  You must understand by now that your comments are hard to take based upon your actions of the last few months. TIP got it right Paul, you should heed that advice and lay low for a while if you are still serious about Garden Grove CC.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/25/a-reaction-of-sorts-and-an-endorsement-of-none-in-the-first-district-supervisors-race/comment-page-1/#comment-18345</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how any of this is your fight Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how any of this is your fight Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misha,
I was not aware of the environment in that office. I only visited Hoa&#039;s office one or twice while you were there. I was very much surprised to see Edgardo there when I went there one day. It is unfortunate that you did not get to know me better. Had you, you would have known that if I had known about the situations you described I would be the first one to take the necessary actions. 

Most people who know me will tell you that I do not suffer bullies harassing those least able to defend themselves. The only time I heard you make any lamentations about the campaign was when the LA Times article came out. You called me to complain about Hoa&#039;s comments and that he should not speak without vetting his responses through an intermediary first. 

I know about Edgardo and that he is a real piece of work. The situations you describe were not known to me. Had I known I would have taken some sort of action to put an end to those actions. Most likely with the help of Garden Groves finest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misha,<br />
I was not aware of the environment in that office. I only visited Hoa&#8217;s office one or twice while you were there. I was very much surprised to see Edgardo there when I went there one day. It is unfortunate that you did not get to know me better. Had you, you would have known that if I had known about the situations you described I would be the first one to take the necessary actions. </p>
<p>Most people who know me will tell you that I do not suffer bullies harassing those least able to defend themselves. The only time I heard you make any lamentations about the campaign was when the LA Times article came out. You called me to complain about Hoa&#8217;s comments and that he should not speak without vetting his responses through an intermediary first. </p>
<p>I know about Edgardo and that he is a real piece of work. The situations you describe were not known to me. Had I known I would have taken some sort of action to put an end to those actions. Most likely with the help of Garden Groves finest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - you are missing the point of the post. Let me simplify. When I coached my girl&#039;s 3rd and 4th grade basketball team, I would tell them, &quot;play like you practice and practice like you play.&quot;. If Hoa Van Tran is somehow elected, will he manage his office the same way he manages his campaign?  If so, it&#039;s not good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; you are missing the point of the post. Let me simplify. When I coached my girl&#8217;s 3rd and 4th grade basketball team, I would tell them, &#8220;play like you practice and practice like you play.&#8221;. If Hoa Van Tran is somehow elected, will he manage his office the same way he manages his campaign?  If so, it&#8217;s not good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Misha Houser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misha Houser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I am sure even Misha Houser will agree, Hoa Van Tran is a good and honorable person. &quot;

Paul, don&#039;t put words in my mouth either. I used to think Hoa was good and honorable until he refused to protect campaign workers, including myself from the daily bullying, harassment (physical, emotional, and otherwise), threats, and intimidation. 

I stayed much longer than I should have, thinking I was protecting Hoa&#039;s candidacy. I finally had to come to the realization that if I wasn&#039;t going to be protected, then I needed to get out of the campaign. 

Hoa would not even defend the Vietnamese phone bankers who were harassed and bullied to the point that they could not return, so the ridiculous statement you make about missing the opportunity to build stronger ties within the Vietnamese community is a joke. The harm was done from within the campaign, not by the Democratic party. 

As for the charge that no one was there to support Hoa early on, that&#039;s another fairy tale. Help was offered, advice was given, all were ignored. 

Lastly Paul, you have no idea what it&#039;s like to be a woman in that kind of environment. You have no idea what it means to worry about your safety because you&#039;ve been threatened with harm, torn to pieces by rumor and innuendo, and having to worry each day whether someone is going to hurt you. 

I ask that those who read this consider what it means to those of us who endured such treatment. What it felt like to find that those who had the power to make it stop chose to do nothing, tacitly allowing such outrageous behavior to continue. They therefore sanctioned the hostile environment.

I stayed silent out of fear. I came forward for the same reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I am sure even Misha Houser will agree, Hoa Van Tran is a good and honorable person. &#8221;</p>
<p>Paul, don&#8217;t put words in my mouth either. I used to think Hoa was good and honorable until he refused to protect campaign workers, including myself from the daily bullying, harassment (physical, emotional, and otherwise), threats, and intimidation. </p>
<p>I stayed much longer than I should have, thinking I was protecting Hoa&#8217;s candidacy. I finally had to come to the realization that if I wasn&#8217;t going to be protected, then I needed to get out of the campaign. </p>
<p>Hoa would not even defend the Vietnamese phone bankers who were harassed and bullied to the point that they could not return, so the ridiculous statement you make about missing the opportunity to build stronger ties within the Vietnamese community is a joke. The harm was done from within the campaign, not by the Democratic party. </p>
<p>As for the charge that no one was there to support Hoa early on, that&#8217;s another fairy tale. Help was offered, advice was given, all were ignored. </p>
<p>Lastly Paul, you have no idea what it&#8217;s like to be a woman in that kind of environment. You have no idea what it means to worry about your safety because you&#8217;ve been threatened with harm, torn to pieces by rumor and innuendo, and having to worry each day whether someone is going to hurt you. </p>
<p>I ask that those who read this consider what it means to those of us who endured such treatment. What it felt like to find that those who had the power to make it stop chose to do nothing, tacitly allowing such outrageous behavior to continue. They therefore sanctioned the hostile environment.</p>
<p>I stayed silent out of fear. I came forward for the same reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments really have me thinking, thank you all. We really did miss an opportunity to make a positie inroad into the Viet community. For my part I was busy watching the circus of events unfold. I&#039;d like to go to the DPOC Tuesday night to see for myself because its hard sometimes to get a clear picture from the competing directions in the blogsphere. 

The trouble is that even when good people get involved campaigns can be turned and through inaction or reaction tank. We lose candidates whenever that happens - Paul and Hoa were damaged this cycle - and people willing to enter public service are in short supply. 

I can&#039;t help but think that much of this is due to Van Tran and the time has come to address his empire building. That will require a long term strategy and nothing we&#039;ve done this cycle advances that cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments really have me thinking, thank you all. We really did miss an opportunity to make a positie inroad into the Viet community. For my part I was busy watching the circus of events unfold. I&#8217;d like to go to the DPOC Tuesday night to see for myself because its hard sometimes to get a clear picture from the competing directions in the blogsphere. </p>
<p>The trouble is that even when good people get involved campaigns can be turned and through inaction or reaction tank. We lose candidates whenever that happens &#8211; Paul and Hoa were damaged this cycle &#8211; and people willing to enter public service are in short supply. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that much of this is due to Van Tran and the time has come to address his empire building. That will require a long term strategy and nothing we&#8217;ve done this cycle advances that cause.</p>
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