Comments on: Activist Judges? http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/ Challenging Orange County's right-wing noise machine Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:38:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Heather Pritchard http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-18033 Heather Pritchard Mon, 19 May 2008 14:31:29 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-18033 Chuck, You do realize that making polygamy legal would require a different set of laws since there would be more than two people involved in the legal contract of marrage? It is not the same and there is no slippery slope. Which spouse would have say over medical decisions? How would property be split. It requires something completely different. Chuck,

You do realize that making polygamy legal would require a different set of laws since there would be more than two people involved in the legal contract of marrage? It is not the same and there is no slippery slope. Which spouse would have say over medical decisions? How would property be split. It requires something completely different.

]]> By: Dan Chmielewski http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-18025 Dan Chmielewski Mon, 19 May 2008 02:29:40 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-18025 Did you read his full column Chuck? He also writes that overturning the gay marriage ban was the right decision. Did you read his full column Chuck? He also writes that overturning the gay marriage ban was the right decision.

]]> By: Dan Chmielewski http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-18024 Dan Chmielewski Mon, 19 May 2008 01:15:47 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-18024 so what did your daughter say when you proposed to her so she could save a few bucks on the estate tax? After saying ick over 20 times, I have to guess its an answer that she's like to marry a man like you. But. not. you. Keep grasping at straws here with the conservative columnists; it doesn't make you right. Lastly, go you *have* friends who are gay? True friends? Wonder what they must think of your silly micro-scenario situations used to justify banning gay marriage. How about bans on Republican marriage? Or bans on Irish marriage?; or bans on elder marriage? so what did your daughter say when you proposed to her so she could save a few bucks on the estate tax? After saying ick over 20 times, I have to guess its an answer that she’s like to marry a man like you. But. not. you.

Keep grasping at straws here with the conservative columnists; it doesn’t make you right.

Lastly, go you *have* friends who are gay? True friends? Wonder what they must think of your silly micro-scenario situations used to justify banning gay marriage. How about bans on Republican marriage? Or bans on Irish marriage?; or bans on elder marriage?

]]> By: Chuck DeVore http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-18021 Chuck DeVore Sun, 18 May 2008 23:23:15 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-18021 From the last paragraph of the SacBee's Dan Walter's column today at: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/947180.html. It looks like I'm not the only one who sees legalized polygamy in our future as a result of this poorly-decided ruling. "Finally, declaring that one is free to marry whomever one chooses makes it at least conceivable that plural marriages – polygamy – could be equally valid. How's that for a can of worms?" All the best, Chuck DeVore California State Assemblyman, 70th District www.ChuckDeVore.com From the last paragraph of the SacBee’s Dan Walter’s column today at:
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/947180.html. It looks like I’m not the only one who sees legalized polygamy in our future as a result of this poorly-decided ruling.

“Finally, declaring that one is free to marry whomever one chooses makes it at least conceivable that plural marriages – polygamy – could be equally valid. How’s that for a can of worms?”

All the best,

Chuck DeVore
California State Assemblyman, 70th District
http://www.ChuckDeVore.com

]]> By: Dan Chmielewski http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-17978 Dan Chmielewski Sat, 17 May 2008 05:50:52 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-17978 I'm back. First thing I want to make clear to Mr. DeVore is that I read the full court decision. Where he sees flawed logic and a new slippery slope, I see equal rights, personal frredom and liberty now applied to all citizens of California. (Forgive my typos-i'm on a Blackberry writing this as I put my daughter to sleep) I will remind Chuck as a member of our legislature, he is sworn to uphold the constitution of California. And for Chuck's claims of flawed logic, well, it was flawed logic of a conservative Republican majority of Justices. Chuck's examples of parents marrying children for tax advantages shows the depths by which the Right is willing to go to openly discriminate against a broad cross section of people. I encourage those gay and lesbian couples living in Chuck4 assembly district to contact his office and express gratitude for the court's decision. Ask him to not support a change to our constitution. He is elected to respresent us. I have to believe he will respond to calls from voters in his district I’m back. First thing I want to make clear to Mr. DeVore is that I read the full court decision. Where he sees flawed logic and a new slippery slope, I see equal rights, personal frredom and liberty now applied to all citizens of California. (Forgive my typos-i’m on a Blackberry writing this as I put my daughter to sleep)

I will remind Chuck as a member of our legislature, he is sworn to uphold the constitution of California. And for Chuck’s claims of flawed logic, well, it was flawed logic of a conservative Republican majority of Justices.

Chuck’s examples of parents marrying children for tax advantages shows the depths by which the Right is willing to go to openly discriminate against a broad cross section of people. I encourage those gay and lesbian couples living in Chuck4 assembly district to contact his office and express gratitude for the court’s decision. Ask him to not support a change to our constitution. He is elected to respresent us. I have to believe he will respond to calls from voters in his district

]]> By: Carl Weibel http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-17976 Carl Weibel Sat, 17 May 2008 04:39:53 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-17976 The right wing never ceases to amaze me and sicken me with their reactions to issues such as this one. I was actually a fairly moderate "swing voter" 5 years ago, but the right wing's reaction to the Lawrence v. Texas decision was the straw that broke the camel's back and made me the hardcore liberal that I am today. What I've noticed about this issue is that the supporters of same-sex marriage rights use logic and reason, while the right wing relies on emotion and hysteria. Unfortunately, as we've seen in the past, bigotry and fear seem to do pretty well at the polls. Hopefully in November, the more reasonable voters will prevail for once. The right wing never ceases to amaze me and sicken me with their reactions to issues such as this one. I was actually a fairly moderate “swing voter” 5 years ago, but the right wing’s reaction to the Lawrence v. Texas decision was the straw that broke the camel’s back and made me the hardcore liberal that I am today.

What I’ve noticed about this issue is that the supporters of same-sex marriage rights use logic and reason, while the right wing relies on emotion and hysteria. Unfortunately, as we’ve seen in the past, bigotry and fear seem to do pretty well at the polls. Hopefully in November, the more reasonable voters will prevail for once.

]]> By: Vern Nelson http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-17968 Vern Nelson Fri, 16 May 2008 22:44:00 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-17968 I don't think anyone can do better debunking Devore, Jubal, and the other rightwingers unhappy with this ruling than Glenn Greenwald http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/15/california/index.html I don't expect them to click that link, but for the rest of you, plenty of ammo there. I don’t think anyone can do better debunking Devore, Jubal, and the other rightwingers unhappy with this ruling than Glenn Greenwald http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/15/california/index.html

I don’t expect them to click that link, but for the rest of you, plenty of ammo there.

]]> By: RHackett http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-17945 RHackett Fri, 16 May 2008 19:26:14 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-17945 When a conservative (like Fleischman) defines a judge as an activist, take great solace in knowing the criticism usually means a judge who has actually read the constitution and is interpreting in accordance with the liberty conservatives claim to desire. I've learned since his days with the OCSD that Jon is a great contra indicator. If I were an elected I would sit in terror that Jon might refer to me as a "honest" individual. That would be my cue to hire counsel for the impending federal indictment. When a conservative (like Fleischman) defines a judge as an activist, take great solace in knowing the criticism usually means a judge who has actually read the constitution and is interpreting in accordance with the liberty conservatives claim to desire.

I’ve learned since his days with the OCSD that Jon is a great contra indicator. If I were an elected I would sit in terror that Jon might refer to me as a “honest” individual. That would be my cue to hire counsel for the impending federal indictment.

]]> By: Duhhhh http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/comment-page-1/#comment-17944 Duhhhh Fri, 16 May 2008 19:17:40 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/15/activist-judges/#comment-17944 The makeup of the Massachusetts supreme court was the same (six Republican appointed moderate or conservative judges and one judge appointed by a Democrat governor). Despite this there was still many speeches/propaganda campaigns about "liberal activist judges" from the GOP when Massachusetts allowed gay marriage. The makeup of the Massachusetts supreme court was the same (six Republican appointed moderate or conservative judges and one judge appointed by a Democrat governor). Despite this there was still many speeches/propaganda campaigns about “liberal activist judges” from the GOP when Massachusetts allowed gay marriage.

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