Hoa Clock Ticking
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Tick, tock, tick, tock; the accountability clock is ticking. Word on the street is there are some members of the Democratic Party of Orange County who will ask the Party Central Committee to reconsider its endorsement last month of Hoa Van Tran if amendments to his campaign finance reports are not filed with the Registrar of Voters by the next meeting on Monday, May 19th at 7 pm.
We’ll have to wait till then to see what if anything happens, but the accountability clock is ticking. This is getting as stupid as Janet Nguyen not disclosing the names of the donors to her “illegal” legal defense fund last year.
Come on Hoa, just get it over with and report your “actual” expenditures. And while you’re at it, if your contributions received are not all reported you should amend that part too.
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Paul. Did you or did you not take signed letters to the GOP Central Committee meeting slamming Janet? Did you think that was a good idea? Was it out of revenge for Janet not appointing you to a commission. You have said she helped you in your 06 race against Van. Are you claiming that exposing her wasn’t going to help Dina? You can spin this all you want, but the one thing you want is to be on the GG City Council. Do you really think we are all dumb enough to believe that you and Dina didn’t cut a deal? You can spin it anyway you want, but your lies are catching up with you…
Sean. What is wrong with Chris investigating Hoa’s camp? I certainly don’t want an alledged unethical Dem in office. Same goes for Nativo “Larry” Lopez. He was a crook that needed to be recalled. I would rather work with an honest rep rather than a crooked dem. I commend you for your loyalty to Hoa, but sweeping the “charges” under the rug isn’t helping him. It’s a HUGE distraction. All he needs to do it clean up the report and DONE!
And BTW – I was a volunteer on Lou’s campaigns. Edgardo was always slamming Lou’s staff and anyone else that challenged him. He is very good at calling people names. He has done it before, is doing it now and will do it in the future…
“Same goes for Nativo “Larry†Lopez. He was a crook that needed to be recalled. I would rather work with an honest rep rather than a crooked dem.”
So tell me what crimes was Nativo convicted of? In fact what crimes was he ever charged with?
History has shown us that the SAUSD has gone further downhill since the recall of Nativo and his replacement Republican Rob Richardson has overseen much of the corruption surrounding the district.
Those responsible for Nativo’s recall should be held accountable for helping to destroy our schools.
And those responsible for dodging the point should be held accountable as well. Come on Sean, you’ve dodged my points about Edgardo being a scumbag AND Clarifications. Don’t accost us for feeling one way and then not be able to back up your end of the deal. It’s one thing to be a “good” Democrat and another to be a “good” Democrat with a concious.
Clarification at 132PM I will answer your questions and charges in the order receieved:
1. No I did not take a letter to the OCGOP Central Committee. Thats the premised promulgated by Prevatt.
2. Was it revenge for not getting an appointment? Np absolutely not. I have articulated that on many occasions.
3. Helping Dina is not nor was it ever the goal in my actions. In fact it seemed to have the opposite effect.
4. As to the allegation that Dina and I have cut a deal, I cn only answer by stating flatly no. There was/is no deal to speak of.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Sorry Sean. I forgot you and Nativo were close friends… But your comments show an unraveling. Is everything a conspiracy or just anyone that disagrees with you…
Paul, how did the OCGOP get a signed letter by you? Are you saying you had absoultely nothing to do with it? That the man on the grassy noll is out to get you too, just like Sean?
TL,
I don’t believe that I am dodging anything. You stated your opinion in regards to Mr. Reynoso and provided nothing to back it up with. So you don’t like him, I get it.
I don’t know Edgardo other than the few times I have spoken to him in regards to Hoa’s campaign. I do not feel that it is my place to judge him based on the limited interaction I have had with him. I will however state that I am impressed for his wanting to include folks that might otherwise be left out of the political process into his campaigns.
The young men and women that I have met that work for Hoa’s campaign have all been very respectful and well mannered. I find it offensive that folks who have never met them continue to slur them.
I became a Democrat because I saw this party being inclusive. I left the GOP because I believed that had become a party of exclusion, be it gays, Latinos or the working poor. I think these attacks on Hoa’s campaign staff are very reminiscent of the things that led me to leave the GOP.
Paul — Chris doesn’t post under any name other than his own, so let go of that crap right now.
Hoa/Edgardo — if you’re reading this, the delay in filing paperwork, which is a simple process, is idiotic. Keep this up, and I think the Party is within their rights to yank their endorsement. Edgardo, if you are indeed runnning this show, if you can’t get the paperwork filed correctly, never run another campaign here again. This is just rank incompetence.
Paul didn’t literally take the letter to the Republican Central Committee but he did sign the letter. Nice try Paul you Trannie liar.
Lie #1
Everyone knows you are mad as hell for Janet not appointing you.
Lie #2
You have been getting a helping of Dina for months.
Lie #3
Paul you went from broke and desperate for money to Flying to Washington DC, buying a new suit, and plunking down $1,400 to file.
Usually people who have money also have a job. I didnt know working ten hours a weak with the mentally disabled was so profitable.
You magically were able to pay all of your bills plus extravagant expenses. LIar Liar Pants on Fire!
Lie #4
What happened at the big double secret Lucas Trial the Dems had last night?
Did he get sent to the Democratic Guantanamo Bay of Orange County?
Chris,
I asked Paul at DL a few weeks ago if he gave the Trannies permission to use his signature, on the infamous letter in question. He said that he did not. So I asked when he was going to sue them. He said he was not going to sue them. I don’t understand this. If Paul’s signature was used without his permission, shouldn’t he sue the Trannies? I know I would.
BTW, I am not sure why Paul is ripping your, or me for that matter. I have pretty much dropped this story. Hoa Van Tran is a joke, and sadly Paul too appears to have become a political disaster.
However, that said, Paul told me today that he is backing Hoa, not Dina. He seems to be having trouble figuring out which Trannie to back…
Art,
It is really difficult to follow which story is which with Paul. Paul has admitted to signing the letter. He has claimed however that he did not write it. Not a significant distinction, but important to Paul.
For what it’s worth, Paul says he supports Hoa. We will have to take him at his word on this one.
For the record, I have never claimed that Paul delivered a letter to the GOP Central Committee. I have said, and it is a matter of fact, that Paul signed a letter to the GOP Central Committee regarding Janet Nguyen. I believe I even posted a copy of the letter.
Also for the record, this thread is about the clock ticking for Hoa to file amended returns. He needs to file amended returns before the DPOC Central Committee meeting on Monday night. If he does not, he is likely to lose the Party endorsement.
Chris and Pedroza coming together as one really shows just how ridiculous this witch hunt has become. Janet must be so proud of the two of you.
The bashing of Paul Lucas has become equally ridiculous. Paul isn’t the one trying to destroy the campaign of the only Democrat running in the first district. Paul isn’t the one using a stolen picture as a means to play on the racist fears of voters.
As far as Hoa losing the endorsement of the DPOC I doubt that it really matters. How much has that endorsement done for him? Lou and Loretta never really had the support of the DPOC until of course they won. Lou and Loretta still operate outside the party structure when it comes to their campaigns.
It looks like all the hard work making inroads into the Vietnamese community done by the likes of Lou, Loretta and Jose Solorio is going to be thrown away by those of you who have an axe to grind with Edgardo Reynoso. The Republican stranglehold on Little Saigon will continue thanks to you.
Congratulations.
Unbelievable. All’s well and good, and then out of nowhere, Chris slams Paul AGAIN, like A MONTH LATER, as “the only one trying to help a Republican in the race” or something (please don’t make me wade through all those inane comments to look it up).
To my knowledge, Janet is a Republican. So his trying to hurt her may marginally help another Republican …. and so he’s de facto a trannie? Is Bob Barr an Obamaton? Was Ross Perot a Clintonista? Your logic, while YOU FRY A DEM, is amazing. At least unlike Chris, Paul wasn’t actively trying to hurt any Dem.
Whatever. For the record, I think it’s important to hold our own people to the same legal and ethical standards we would hold the Reeps — but then you twist it again when it comes to Paul, IN FAVOR OF A REPUBLICAN (Janet) while you’re trying to crucify Hoa, who’s at least nominally a Dem. If you’re gonna crucify a Dem for bad behavior (Hoa), fine. But why shift focus to Paul, who has nothing to do with this? Are you feeling a little bit guilty?
Interesting that Sean brings up Senator Correa and Congresswoman Sanchez.
Combined they have over 20 years of service to the people of Central OC. Plenty of time to hone their political instincts. Yet neither of them has chosen to endorse the sole Democrat in this race. Might they know something we don’t?
LC,
You know what else is gonna be interesting? Seeing what type of legal action is going to be brought against the person or persons responsible for stealing from Hoa’s campaign.
The photographs from Hoa’s campaign floating around the local blogosphere, including the one published here, are actually property of Hoa’s campaign. They were downloaded from campaign computers and then given to bloggers in order to smear Hoa’s campaign.
I hear legal action is pending. It will be interesting to hear what comes out in the deposition and or the cross examination of those responsible. You can be sure that the photographs aren’t the only campaign property pilfered. I wouldn’t want to be the one responsible. The legal fees could be quite high.
Can anybody determine what gang signs these obvious workers claim to be assoicated with?
The white guy in the middle seems a little nervous about gang signs and all.
Don’t get me wrong but shouldn’t a campaign consider the likelyhood of a voter opening the door, after they saw La Smiley or one of those pelones come up the driveway.
Then, I can only imagine the campaign telephone pitch,
Worker:
Hello fool,
Dude, like I said I’m Hector from the OC. Hoa Tran is a vato loco like me and he supports ustedes. He’s for the Mexican peoples and hates the racist Mexican hater Janet.
Caller:
Well young Fella, I didn’t understand a word of what you were saying or selling or whatever, please take me off your do not call list…
Worker:
Chala Fool, I’m saying you need to vote for Hoa
Caller: Hangs up
Joey,
Thank you for perpetuating racist stereotypes of urban Latino youths. I’d expect garbage like this from right wing sites, but you so-called liberals doing it is quite surprising.
I realize you can’t be a racist because you support Obama, right?
I hope Lou and Loretta see what kind of garbage is being spread and the vile anti-Latino tone that this has taken on. This anti-Hoa movement is sure bringing folks racist tendencies out of the closet.
Sean
I’m latino and I wouldn’t consider myself remotely liberal.
I’m not supporting Obama at this time but have supported Lou and Loretta in the past
I think you confused me with someone else but no problem because we are still cool and united by our Alumni.
I guess I got caught up on a comedian “Mencia” episode where he coment on images that are reality and if somebody makes a statement (verbal or non-verbal) than you don’t try to sugar coat it as not the reality, just to please some bleeding heart.
Those homeboys made a statement that is used to identify their gang.
We have a serious gang problem in the central county and dealing with this issue won’t get resolved if you refuse to acknowledge it by saying this is some sort of stereotyping.
I have no problem with giving these guys a job but shouldn’t that be based on be free from gang anything. For sake there are plenty of deserving Latino kids that don’t have job and would probably welcome a job and they would resort to backsliding to something negative…gang life and crime
Sean,
You can be sure that the photographs aren’t the only campaign property pilfered.
You appear to be accusing someone of theft. Interesting accusation from someone who doesn’t really know Edgardo that well. I am also surprised that if a theft has occurred that it has yet to be reported to the authorities.
You might consider that the photos in question could have come from anyone with access to the campaign computers, could have been posted in the campaign office in plain view, or could be evidence related to complaints related to a hostile work environment. Your leap to theft is a bit far fetched.
If I were to have posted a photo of a bunch of Latino volunteers and called them gangbangers, that would indeed be playing on racists stereotypes.
But I did not do that. I posted a picture of volunteers in Hoa Van Tran’s campaign office flashing gang signs. I could be wrong, but the flashing of gang signs is what strikes fear.
Hoa Van Tran is not a victim of an effort to “destroy his campaign.” Hoa Van Tran is responsible for ignoring activity and conduct by his paid staff and volunteersp under direction of his campaign manager, that had the potential to destroy his campaign if not corrected,
“You might consider that the photos in question could have come from anyone with access to the campaign computers”
That does not give them the right to send those pictures to folks in the blogosphere as a means of trying to smear the campaign. The photos are property of the campaign, not the property of campaign staffers.
“could be evidence related to complaints related to a hostile work environment”
If this is going to be used as evidence why then is this mole leaking the photos to bloggers? You would think they would keep them handy in case they need to use them in court. Instead they are passing them around like a joint at a reggae concert.
“I am also surprised that if a theft has occurred that it has yet to be reported to the authorities”
I am told that legal action is pending and that your source better lawyer and quick.
Sean — legal action is a two way street with this campaign. I have to question the legality of the way its being run.
Sean,
I presume that you are not speaking for Hoa Van Tran’s Campaign (officially).
My guess is that any civil lawyers would need to wait in line behind the State Attorney general, the FPPC, or maybe even the OC District Attorney. But tell Edgardo to give it his best shot. They might consider that the threat of depositions isa two way street. Hoa, Edgardo, Phu Do Nguyen; all would also be subjected to deposition.
Sean:
Are functioning as the purveyor of legal threats on behalf of Hoa/Edgardo?
Matt,
I am not acting on anyones behalf. Common sense tells me that if you steal things from a former employer there may be some legal repercussions.
I know for a fact that the pictures posted on your site and the one Chris posted here were downloaded from computers in Hoa’s office. Perhaps you’d like to share how you came in possession of them if you dispute that they were stolen from Hoa’s campaign.
I have also spoken to folks that tell me that there is potential legal action pending. I am not issuing threats, just reporting what I’ve heard.
One more time, Sean-
Even if I believe your premise that a disgruntled ex- campaign staffer has an ax to grind against Hoa and Edgardo, please explain how that person can force the campaign treasurer to file an incomplete and inaccurate report.
I look forward to your explanation.
LC,
I have no knowledge of campaign reports in regards to Hoa’s campaign so I won’t speculate on that matter.
What I do know is that information belonging to the campaign was downloaded from campaign computers and distributed to bloggers in an effort to discredit and smear Hoa.
People have continued to attack Paul Lucas regarding his involvement with Van Tran/Janet Nguyen. Perhaps they should start to question why a Democrat stole information from Hoa’s campaign and gave it to a Republican blogger in an effort to destroy the campaign of a Democrat.
I don’t believe I mentioned your allegations of the theft of campaign property (a PHOTO) in my earlier question. That’s a distinct issue from this one.
And I’ll take you at your word that you have no knowledge of improprieties with respect to a financial report (though the charges have been detailed here and many other places).
So please respond to this hypothetical:
Say I am a former staffer with issues with the campaign. How would I coerce the campaign treasurer to violate numerous campaign finance laws with respect to filing of the report?
Please describe a scenario in which this is possible.
LC,
I am not going to deal in the hypothetical.
Yes charges have been made, but I’ll wait until all the facts come out and not just rely on blogs, bloggers and disgruntled ex-employees for my information. These folks all have an agenda and are trying to use the issue of these reports to push it.
Perhaps you’d like to share how you came in possession of them if you dispute that they were stolen from Hoa’s campaign.
A blogger calling on another blogger to reveal his source, Sean? Tsk.
Matt,
The police call it “being in possession of stolen property”. I am quite sure that once legal action begins folks will be singing like canaries.
Isn’t that what Nixon said about Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers?
Good luck with the threats. I think the last thing your friend Edgardo wants is legal prying into the what goes on in Hoa’s campaign office.
Sean,
Other than your “warnings” of legal action, I haven’t seen any verifiable reports of theft from Hoa’s campaign office. If I’ve missed this please point me to that story.
There has been a lot of detail posted/reported/filings about Hoa’s campaign reporting deficiencies. You should read some of them and decide if Hoa needs to come clean on this.
Anyone who has worked a campaign knows that photo’s get sent around all the time. Unless you know who took the picture, who stored the picture, where it was stored, and if this was the only copy of the picture ever distributed, it is hard to call use of the photo a “theft”.
Looks like Hoa’s staffers were having fun and freaking out the guy in the center of the photo. Wouldn’t expect this photo was taken to be placed in a mailer, and was probably taken as a joke by a staffer. It would be very doubtful if staffers were required to sign non-disclosures, so sometimes these things happen.
I just fail to see how a single “disgruntled ex-employee” (or even a group of them) can possibly be held responsible for the campaign’s apparent failure to completely report contributions and expenditures.
Blaming the messenger here just doesn’t pass the smell test with me.
I think you’re trying to use the theft of a photo (ever heard of emailing a file?) to try to distract readers from this basic point.
I have a hunch you refuse to provide a hypothetical scenario because there is NO PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION.
Good points,, just…asking.
But what Sean’s doing is trying to shift the topic of conversation away from Hoa’s clear violations of TINCUP and failure to remedy them.
Sean I said it over at OC Blog, and now here. Why are you not holding them accountable as you did Janet, for failure to report campaign filings correctly and whitholding information?
Flowerszzz,
As I said over at OC Blog, I neversaid a word about Janet’s failures to report campaign filings.