Comments on: Indiana & North Carolina Primary Results OPEN THREAD http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/ Challenging Orange County's right-wing noise machine Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:30:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Heather Pritchard http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17364 Heather Pritchard Wed, 07 May 2008 12:25:28 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17364 NCS - Yes, I corrected myself, that was me saying I was wrong. I think I'm pretty good for a hardcore Obama supporter and you don't give me quite enough credit, but that's okay. I refrained from doing what many others did by saying Obama won Indiana with ten percent left to go. NCS – Yes, I corrected myself, that was me saying I was wrong. I think I’m pretty good for a hardcore Obama supporter and you don’t give me quite enough credit, but that’s okay. I refrained from doing what many others did by saying Obama won Indiana with ten percent left to go.

]]> By: Eric http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17363 Eric Wed, 07 May 2008 10:09:46 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17363 My bad, it looks likes she eeked out 3 delegates in Indiana, not 1 as I posted. My bad, it looks likes she eeked out 3 delegates in Indiana, not 1 as I posted.

]]> By: Eric http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17362 Eric Wed, 07 May 2008 10:06:20 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17362 The race is officially over. Hillary is now losing the popular vote (even including FL and MI, sorry Andrew, you can't claim that silly canard anymore), the pledged delegates, and states won. And there is absolutely no way for her to be the nominee without a MASSIVE super delegate defection from Obama. Even Gen. Wes Clark has called for her to step aside. She may wait until next Tues to drop out, but given that she has canceled all her appearances, I would expect an announcement either tomorrow or Thurs. Yes Hillary won in Indiana, but managed to squeak out 1 whole extra delegate from it. She really needed a double digit win (and that is a double digit to the left of the decimal, not the 1.x% it looks like it will be). And even with a double digit win, it would have still been unlikely for her to be the nominee, just given her some credibility to go to the Supers and beg for her political life. She will need to win every remaining contest with margins that Obama won SC and still have a massive Super deflection. Can we acknowledge that this race is finally over? Or are you die-hard Hillary supporters really going to take this all the way to the convention and guarantee a loss in November? Heather is correct about this. No candidate chosen at the convention has ever won. And if you Hillary supporters think that it is not over, please, I want a road map on how exactly she can win. I want numbers, names, the whole lot. The race is officially over. Hillary is now losing the popular vote (even including FL and MI, sorry Andrew, you can’t claim that silly canard anymore), the pledged delegates, and states won. And there is absolutely no way for her to be the nominee without a MASSIVE super delegate defection from Obama. Even Gen. Wes Clark has called for her to step aside. She may wait until next Tues to drop out, but given that she has canceled all her appearances, I would expect an announcement either tomorrow or Thurs.

Yes Hillary won in Indiana, but managed to squeak out 1 whole extra delegate from it. She really needed a double digit win (and that is a double digit to the left of the decimal, not the 1.x% it looks like it will be). And even with a double digit win, it would have still been unlikely for her to be the nominee, just given her some credibility to go to the Supers and beg for her political life.

She will need to win every remaining contest with margins that Obama won SC and still have a massive Super deflection. Can we acknowledge that this race is finally over? Or are you die-hard Hillary supporters really going to take this all the way to the convention and guarantee a loss in November? Heather is correct about this. No candidate chosen at the convention has ever won. And if you Hillary supporters think that it is not over, please, I want a road map on how exactly she can win. I want numbers, names, the whole lot.

]]> By: Northcountystorm http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17360 Northcountystorm Wed, 07 May 2008 07:11:09 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17360 If it wasn't for Heathers LAST comment I would have thought the Obamaphites had thought this was the Daily Kos, that pit of vipers., and were commenting in their usual snide or myopic way. A good win for Obama and a good, but not as big win for Clinton. And a disapointing night for the cackling Kossack hordes waiting to do a death dance on Hillary's presidential campaign which a loss in Indiana might have prompted. But a thanks to Heather for her gracious congrats. And back at you for North Carolina. It's been a dry two months for Obama but a win is a win, favored or no. But Heather, you are in error when you claim Clinton was always predicted to win. My source? Heather Pritchard a few comments down who acknowledges that only 2/3 of the polls had Clinton ahead. But I'll take a win in Obama's back yard, where 25% of the state is in the Chicago media market and he outspent her by 40%(75% in North Carolina). I never heard the Obama folks discount their razor thin win in Missouri. Speaking of money, I haven't been hearing too much about the need for public financing of campaigns from the Obama campaign. Situational ideology. Get used to it comrades. The race continues. Another thing you're wrong about Heather (no, not the can of worms, although you're wrong about that too) but your comment about the long primary(you've been wanting to cut it off for quite some time)not doing the Democrats any good. My source? Chairman Howard Dean who yesterday was very firm that the Democrats had reaped substantial rewards by the continuing election fight between Obama and Clinton. Millions of new registered voters and huge turnouts. Democrats energized in communities where they had never been energized before.. Obama has recognized this too. Both have said that the campaign should continue until the end of the primary season. Why is it so hard for his followers, and those of Chairman Dean, to agree? Or is it just good cop bad cop? As for me, go Hillary. Remember Florida. Remember Michigan. If it wasn’t for Heathers LAST comment I would have thought the Obamaphites had thought this was the Daily Kos, that pit of vipers., and were commenting in their usual snide or myopic way.
A good win for Obama and a good, but not as big win for Clinton. And a disapointing night for the cackling Kossack hordes waiting to do a death dance on Hillary’s presidential campaign which a loss in Indiana might have prompted. But a thanks to Heather for her gracious congrats. And back at you for North Carolina. It’s been a dry two months for Obama but a win is a win, favored or no.

But Heather, you are in error when you claim Clinton was always predicted to win. My source? Heather Pritchard a few comments down who acknowledges that only 2/3 of the polls had Clinton ahead. But I’ll take a win in Obama’s back yard, where 25% of the state is in the Chicago media market and he outspent her by 40%(75% in North Carolina). I never heard the Obama folks discount their razor thin win in Missouri.

Speaking of money, I haven’t been hearing too much about the need for public financing of campaigns from the Obama campaign. Situational ideology. Get used to it comrades.

The race continues. Another thing you’re wrong about Heather (no, not the can of worms, although you’re wrong about that too) but your comment about the long primary(you’ve been wanting to cut it off for quite some time)not doing the Democrats any good. My source? Chairman Howard Dean who yesterday was very firm that the Democrats had reaped substantial rewards by the continuing election fight between Obama and Clinton. Millions of new registered voters and huge turnouts. Democrats energized in communities where they had never been energized before.. Obama has recognized this too. Both have said that the campaign should continue until the end of the primary season. Why is it so hard for his followers, and those of Chairman Dean, to agree? Or is it just good cop bad cop?

As for me, go Hillary. Remember Florida. Remember Michigan.

]]> By: Heather Pritchard http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17359 Heather Pritchard Wed, 07 May 2008 05:34:05 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17359 Congratulations to Clinton, Indiana has been called in her favor by 2 points. Congratulations to Clinton, Indiana has been called in her favor by 2 points.

]]> By: The Nominee http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17358 The Nominee Wed, 07 May 2008 05:29:30 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17358 Tim Russert on Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lklfIPBK4Zg Tim Russert on Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lklfIPBK4Zg

]]> By: Heather Pritchard http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17356 Heather Pritchard Wed, 07 May 2008 04:21:27 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17356 Clinton has canceled all her morning appearances. Indiana could still go to Obama with 8% left to report and just under 20,000 votes between them. Who knows. Clinton has canceled all her morning appearances. Indiana could still go to Obama with 8% left to report and just under 20,000 votes between them. Who knows.

]]> By: ohmickeyyou'resofine http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17355 ohmickeyyou'resofine Wed, 07 May 2008 04:19:02 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17355 and it's obama at the buzzer, good to finally have this thing over. and it’s obama at the buzzer, good to finally have this thing over.

]]> By: ohmickeyyou'resofine http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-17354 ohmickeyyou'resofine Wed, 07 May 2008 04:17:10 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/05/06/indiana-north-carolina-primary-results-open-thread/#comment-17354 It's Obama winning at the buzzer. I'm so glad we finally have a nominee. It’s Obama winning at the buzzer. I’m so glad we finally have a nominee.

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