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	<title>Comments on: LATE BREAKING: HILLARY CLINTON WINS PENNSYLVANIA!!</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: Heather Pritchard</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/04/22/open-thread-pennsylvania-primary-results/comment-page-1/#comment-16956</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - Amen!

Â NCS - I blame the media, it&#039;s much more interesting and profitable for this primary to drag on as long as possible.Â  But if both Obama and Clinton stopped attacking each other it would leave the media with nothing to cover but their attacks on McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; Amen!</p>
<p>Â NCS &#8211; I blame the media, it&#8217;s much more interesting and profitable for this primary to drag on as long as possible.Â  But if both Obama and Clinton stopped attacking each other it would leave the media with nothing to cover but their attacks on McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Spaulding</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/04/22/open-thread-pennsylvania-primary-results/comment-page-1/#comment-16955</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are obviously strong feelings about this, along with blame enough for everyone involved to share. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s all very wonderful to put the onus on this one or that. But it amounts to a mountain of nothing. Regardless of how the situation evolved, it is today what it is. Assigning blame or creating villains does not create solutions -- or even move anyone closer to one. The more productive discussion, for everyone other than historians, is to suggest reasonable and fair solutions -- the key words being reasonable and fair. That probably means no one gets everything they want or feel entitled to and just as importantly, no one is short changed. It&#039;s called politics: the art of compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are obviously strong feelings about this, along with blame enough for everyone involved to share. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s all very wonderful to put the onus on this one or that. But it amounts to a mountain of nothing. Regardless of how the situation evolved, it is today what it is. Assigning blame or creating villains does not create solutions &#8212; or even move anyone closer to one. The more productive discussion, for everyone other than historians, is to suggest reasonable and fair solutions &#8212; the key words being reasonable and fair. That probably means no one gets everything they want or feel entitled to and just as importantly, no one is short changed. It&#8217;s called politics: the art of compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/04/22/open-thread-pennsylvania-primary-results/comment-page-1/#comment-16954</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time of the Michigan and Florida primaries, Edwards and Richardson were still active and viable candidates.  You can&#039;t give 50% minus one to Obama when its more likely in a competitive environment, Edwards and Richardson woudl have locked down votes too.  Why Obama didn&#039;t get on the bandwagon on MI and FL is a mystery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time of the Michigan and Florida primaries, Edwards and Richardson were still active and viable candidates.  You can&#8217;t give 50% minus one to Obama when its more likely in a competitive environment, Edwards and Richardson woudl have locked down votes too.  Why Obama didn&#8217;t get on the bandwagon on MI and FL is a mystery</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/04/22/open-thread-pennsylvania-primary-results/comment-page-1/#comment-16953</link>
		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather---McCain is not running unopposed. If you listen to the CLinton and Obama speeches, virtually all are attacking the Bush-McCain team.
People are energized, massive voter registration, huge increases in small donors, huge vote turnouts in states that never had that in primaries. .  You&#039;ve had your vote count , don&#039;t deny it to others. They want their say too and since no one has clinched the nomination its just wrong do cut them out. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather&#8212;McCain is not running unopposed. If you listen to the CLinton and Obama speeches, virtually all are attacking the Bush-McCain team.<br />
People are energized, massive voter registration, huge increases in small donors, huge vote turnouts in states that never had that in primaries. .  You&#8217;ve had your vote count , don&#8217;t deny it to others. They want their say too and since no one has clinched the nomination its just wrong do cut them out. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Pritchard</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/04/22/open-thread-pennsylvania-primary-results/comment-page-1/#comment-16952</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the fact that she signed the agreement does not mean her delegates were &quot;STolen&quot;.  The argument falls flat.  I&#039;m sorry.  I don&#039;t want to disenfranchise anyone but it has been decided before this in the past and those same states voted even though there was a nominee already decided.  I&#039;m so tired of the argument that this somehow is just like any other year, it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the fact that she signed the agreement does not mean her delegates were &#8220;STolen&#8221;.  The argument falls flat.  I&#8217;m sorry.  I don&#8217;t want to disenfranchise anyone but it has been decided before this in the past and those same states voted even though there was a nominee already decided.  I&#8217;m so tired of the argument that this somehow is just like any other year, it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Pritchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCS- There is no rule, just the fact that McCain is campaigning unopposed.  It&#039;s a fact.  Right now, I would take Obama dropping out if it meant we would have a nominee sooner.   I just think Obama is a better candidate, that my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCS- There is no rule, just the fact that McCain is campaigning unopposed.  It&#8217;s a fact.  Right now, I would take Obama dropping out if it meant we would have a nominee sooner.   I just think Obama is a better candidate, that my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill--What explains Michigan? Sen. Levin and state Democratic Party leaders being arrogant and having a having a poker mentality. The DNC for trying to wish the problem away instead of dealing with it early. Obama&#039;s campaign for killing the revote(I think the Clinton campaign would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8211;What explains Michigan? Sen. Levin and state Democratic Party leaders being arrogant and having a having a poker mentality. The DNC for trying to wish the problem away instead of dealing with it early. Obama&#8217;s campaign for killing the revote(I think the Clinton campaign would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Spaulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northcountystorm, Thank you. Your reply is exactly what I had hoped to get from Andrew, bless his heart. Presuming what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, it would appear that Floridians were caught in a bind and the DNC was as helpful as the local Republicans. The whole situation appears to have been handled poorly by everyone. So, now, that explains Florida. How about Michigan?

Meanwhile, I still say that somehow both states will be seated at the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northcountystorm, Thank you. Your reply is exactly what I had hoped to get from Andrew, bless his heart. Presuming what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, it would appear that Floridians were caught in a bind and the DNC was as helpful as the local Republicans. The whole situation appears to have been handled poorly by everyone. So, now, that explains Florida. How about Michigan?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I still say that somehow both states will be seated at the convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather--I love it when someone says they are not going to argue something and than goes ahead and does it anyway.  

And please spare me the &quot;now there is a Republican nominee and its different, period.&quot; Really? Where is that rule? When and if you find it, please pass it on to your Obama campaign which, due to its 3-1 spending advantage, put out more negative air time than did Clinton. You&#039;ve truly been spending too much time in the Land of Koz. No one has clinched the Democratic nomination. There are still elections going on. Those voters are entitled to the same free spirited debate as the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire. By the way, speaking of Koz, is he still waiting on the returns from the Philadelphia suburbs?

And given the disdain that some Obama supporters have for the voters in the remaining primary states its no surprise that you and others are willing to disenfranchise 1.6 million Democrats all because it won&#039;t work out for your candidate.

I never blamed Obama and the DNC alone for the mess. Go back and read my comments. Dems in Michigan and Reps in Florida started this but the DNC applied the political death penalty to an infraction, unlike the GOP who had a more fitting punishment and got no heat for it. As for Obama, his campaign is to blame for not allowing a Michigan revote. And his campaign opposed any revote in Florida as well, although I conceded this was moot because Florida rightly felt they had a valid election. And the Democrats in Florida tried to comply with the DNC rules but did not have the votes. How kind of you and Eric to want to take 50% of the delegates for Obama when they weren&#039;t earned. It might make sense in Michigan to do something like a 50-50 split but if the Obama folks don&#039;t want to work this out , they can take the uncommitted and Clinton will take the 18 net delegate split. And Florida, the results were Clinton 50% and Obama 33%. That&#039;s a net 38 delegates for Clinton that have been stolen unless they are counted.

I could care less what the candidates agreed to under duress. This is the Democratic Party and , especially after what happened to Florida in 2000, we don&#039;t want to be the Party that disenfranchises the state again. Howard Dean in drag as Katherine Harris. Wonderful.

Bill---I didn&#039;t forget you. I wasn&#039;t implying what you assert. I just had not had time to check out what happened. Here it is: The Florida legislature is about 2-1 Republican and there is a Republican Governor. The Republican&#039;s wanted to move up the Florida primary to January 29. This violated both GOP and Democratic party rules.  Democrats were initially agreeable to moving it up. But after discussions with the DNC and national party leaders, the Democrats in the Legislature agreed to try and move the Florida primary to a date that the DNC would approve, in early February. They offered an amendment to do this and it was voted down on a party line vote. The primary move up was part of an omnibus election bill that contained a critical paper trail provision that the Democrats in Florida had been fighting for since the 2000 election. The Republicans said that the paper trail provision and the early primary were linked with everything else. The Democrats could not block this nor would they want to block the paper trail provision which was understandably crucial to them. So they voted for the bill, which did include the paper trail provision and which is now Florida law.. And for that, the DNC instituted the death penalty. Even after the Republican Governor signed the bill, the DNC initially said that only 50% of the pledged delegates would be striken and all of the superdelegates. Somewhere along the line Herr Dean decided to double the penalty. What a guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather&#8211;I love it when someone says they are not going to argue something and than goes ahead and does it anyway.  </p>
<p>And please spare me the &#8220;now there is a Republican nominee and its different, period.&#8221; Really? Where is that rule? When and if you find it, please pass it on to your Obama campaign which, due to its 3-1 spending advantage, put out more negative air time than did Clinton. You&#8217;ve truly been spending too much time in the Land of Koz. No one has clinched the Democratic nomination. There are still elections going on. Those voters are entitled to the same free spirited debate as the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire. By the way, speaking of Koz, is he still waiting on the returns from the Philadelphia suburbs?</p>
<p>And given the disdain that some Obama supporters have for the voters in the remaining primary states its no surprise that you and others are willing to disenfranchise 1.6 million Democrats all because it won&#8217;t work out for your candidate.</p>
<p>I never blamed Obama and the DNC alone for the mess. Go back and read my comments. Dems in Michigan and Reps in Florida started this but the DNC applied the political death penalty to an infraction, unlike the GOP who had a more fitting punishment and got no heat for it. As for Obama, his campaign is to blame for not allowing a Michigan revote. And his campaign opposed any revote in Florida as well, although I conceded this was moot because Florida rightly felt they had a valid election. And the Democrats in Florida tried to comply with the DNC rules but did not have the votes. How kind of you and Eric to want to take 50% of the delegates for Obama when they weren&#8217;t earned. It might make sense in Michigan to do something like a 50-50 split but if the Obama folks don&#8217;t want to work this out , they can take the uncommitted and Clinton will take the 18 net delegate split. And Florida, the results were Clinton 50% and Obama 33%. That&#8217;s a net 38 delegates for Clinton that have been stolen unless they are counted.</p>
<p>I could care less what the candidates agreed to under duress. This is the Democratic Party and , especially after what happened to Florida in 2000, we don&#8217;t want to be the Party that disenfranchises the state again. Howard Dean in drag as Katherine Harris. Wonderful.</p>
<p>Bill&#8212;I didn&#8217;t forget you. I wasn&#8217;t implying what you assert. I just had not had time to check out what happened. Here it is: The Florida legislature is about 2-1 Republican and there is a Republican Governor. The Republican&#8217;s wanted to move up the Florida primary to January 29. This violated both GOP and Democratic party rules.  Democrats were initially agreeable to moving it up. But after discussions with the DNC and national party leaders, the Democrats in the Legislature agreed to try and move the Florida primary to a date that the DNC would approve, in early February. They offered an amendment to do this and it was voted down on a party line vote. The primary move up was part of an omnibus election bill that contained a critical paper trail provision that the Democrats in Florida had been fighting for since the 2000 election. The Republicans said that the paper trail provision and the early primary were linked with everything else. The Democrats could not block this nor would they want to block the paper trail provision which was understandably crucial to them. So they voted for the bill, which did include the paper trail provision and which is now Florida law.. And for that, the DNC instituted the death penalty. Even after the Republican Governor signed the bill, the DNC initially said that only 50% of the pledged delegates would be striken and all of the superdelegates. Somewhere along the line Herr Dean decided to double the penalty. What a guy.</p>
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