When Will Janet Condemn Thuggery?

In recent years we have seen the same story play out time and again.  Same players, different places.  Hi Tek Video, Irvine Valley College, USC and Nguoi Viet Daily News.  In each of these instances, protesters, in the name of anti-communism, have used bullying and intimidation tactics in an attempt to further their political agenda.  In their efforts to fight against communism these folks have come to mirror the very thugs they claim to oppose.

Many of those leading the protests have ties to Assemblyman Van Tran.  In fact, some believe that Tran uses these folks to go after those that stand in the way of his political agenda.  Oppose Van Tran, get labeled a “communist”.  So I doubt that we will see the Assemblyman condemn the protests, nor will we see folks like Westminster Councilman Andy Quach or Garden Grove Councilmember & First District Supervisoral candidate Dina Nguyen condemn them either.

But what about Van Tran’s arch-nemesis Supervisor Janet Nguyen?  When will Janet condemn the thuggery and bullying of these Little Saigon protesters?  When will Janet speak out and take a position on this issue?  This is America and these people want to infringe on the rights to free speech and expression.  I want to know if Janet believes in the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression.

Register columnist Frank Mickadeit had an excellent piece in today’s edition of the Orange County Register.  Mickadeit discusses the court order issued against the protesters by Orange County Superior Court Judge Derek Hunt, a Vietnam veteran, and the actions of some of these protesters.  Mickadeit calls these protesters “nut jobs” and he may not be far off with that analysis.  Besides bomb threats, physical assault and continual verbal intimidation, these folks have gone as far as to threaten to dig up a man’s grave and “kill him all over again”.

I for one am tired of these thuggish protesters and their threats.  They want their rights respected but don’t want others to be afforded the same rights.  They believe in free speech as long as you agree with them and go along with what they want.  Kinda sounds like the government that they so despise back in Vietnam.  Fighting in the name of “freedom” while infringing on the freedom of others is not freedom, it’s hypocrisy.

Janet Nguyen wants our votes and with that being the case I think it is about time that she make her voice heard on this subject.  It has been reported that she has gone to the protests and offered her support for these bullies and thugs.  Is this true Janet?  Do you support this type of anti-freedom behavior?  Let the voters know where you stand.

Janet, are you for the freedom for all or are you for the thuggery of a few? 

 

  18 comments for “When Will Janet Condemn Thuggery?

  1. Jorge Sanchez
    April 9, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    don’t hold your breath on this one bro, Janet is not going to say anything to agitate these protesters.

  2. April 9, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Jorge,

    You are most likely correct. Janet probably won’t say anything to agitate these folks. However she should say something.

    If she supports these bullying tactics she should go on record stating as much. I think voters need to know if she supports freedom for all or if she is like these protesters and the Vietnamese government and only support rights for those that agree with them.

  3. Let be fair
    April 9, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Sean Hill:

    I understand your perspective and how you are feeling about the Protesters in Little Saigon. I do think that the Protesters do get carry away sometimes by intruding on others’ rights to privacy and protection from harassment. However, I am in support of these Protesters expressing their beliefs, opinions and feelings as long as it does not infringe on another person’s rights. I think the Protesters need to be more educated about what they can and cannot do. Other than that, this is the land of freedom, and the Protesters are in violation of no aws of this country if they are exercising their freedom of expression. peacefully. Just a thought…

  4. April 9, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Sean,

    Here is a good question. When is Santa Ana Mayor Miguel Pulido going to acknowledge that our city has a gang problem? The SA City Council spent two hours giving out awards on Monday night and a half hour talking about the biggest threat in SA – obesity. (Irony intended). But there was NO mention of the 39 year old father who was gunned down in his front yard, in full view of his two kids, a few days ago after he got caught in a gang crossfire.

    Never mind bugging Janet about some nut job protesters who we all know she does not support. When will you hold your own Mayor and City Council accountable for being in denial about the gang war in our city?

  5. April 9, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Art,

    Can you try and focus on the issue at hand? Are you suffering from AD/HD? This post is about Janet’s refusal to condemn the thuggery of the protesters not Miguel Pulido.

    About Janet and the protesters that you claim, “we all know she does not support”. How do “we” know this? Has she stated this on the record publicly? If so, when and where? Please provide a link to this.

    Until Janet speaks out publicly against them, we can all take her silence to be a sign of complicit support for the thugs. Her silence suggests she opposes freedom for all, just like the government of Vietnam.

  6. April 9, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “the Protesters are in violation of no laws of this country if they are exercising their freedom of expression. peacefully.”

    The problem is that they are not acting in a peaceful manner. They are physically and verbally abusing people. Issuing threats. Tresspassing. The list goes on….

  7. April 9, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    of course she wont speak out against the communists who kick,spit,hit, make threats, and throw eggs at people. she might get labeled a communist herself. but art, i dont get the janet/pulido connection? and i would love to see where she claims she doesnt support them as you have said. because if she had the courage to speak out against them as any good american would do it would be political suicide for her and she knows it. and “let be fair”, educating these communists would be a good thing but until they learn how to protest peacefully they need to be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

  8. April 9, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    I am a direct target of these same protesters myself. See my picture in the hands of protesters, shown in the OC Weekly here: http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/little-saigons-nguoi-viet-daily-news-earns-anti-commie-wrathagain/28516/

    However, I still must say that I disagree with you. Perhaps you don’t realize how much Nguoi Viet did NOT speak out forcefully against these bullies.

    Even God is said to help (only?) those who help themselves. Those who don’t help themselves shouldn’t really expect anything from mere mortals such as Janet Nguyen.

  9. April 9, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Jose,

    You, me and Pedroza all know that Janet has never stated that she does not support them. This is just the latest in the long list of fabrications created by Pedroza. It has been reported in both the Register and OC Weekly I believe that Janet has gone out to the protest sites and offered her support for these thugs. I even recall some mention of her taking bottled water out to them.

    Art has regularly attacked Van Tran about this issue and his attempt to provide cover for Janet demonstrates the level of dishonesty he is willing to sink to. If folks did not already realize it, Art Pedroza is quite dishonest in his blogging and everything that he posts should be scrutinized and verified before being believed.

    Janet’s silence speaks volumes. Unless she publicly states otherwise, voters in the First District must assume that she supports tyranny and thuggery. Her support of the protesters, by remaining silent, is akin to supporting the communist government of Vietnam.

  10. April 9, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Sean,

    You have no clue. When do you ever speak to Janet? NEVER. I speak to her quite often. She has in fact told me that she is in no way connected to the protesters and she is not supporting them. Is that clear enough for you?

    As for the other issues I raised, I mentioned them because you continuously ignore what is going on in Santa Ana. You live in Santa Ana. Shouldn’t you hold Pulido and his gang accountable, or are you afraid to diss other Dems on this blog?

    The reason I have taken on Van Tran re the protesters is because most if not all of them are TRANNIES. Go ask them if they support Van Tran. Don’t be surprised when they all say yes. Also, it is a fact that Tran’s associates, Andy Quach and Dina Nguyen, have been quoted in the local newspapers very often because they regularly go protest at local colleges regarding the display of the real flag of Vietnam.

  11. That's y we have laws
    April 9, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    “The problem is that they are not acting in a peaceful manner. They are physically and verbally abusing people. Issuing threats. Tresspassing. The list goes on….”

    True, some of these protesters had overreacted in the past, but these are only a few and not all of them. If the protesters violated people’s rights, then they, of course, should be punished for it. An example would be what is going on right now with some of the protesters at Nguoi Viet Newspaper being charged for misdemeanors and other crimes. Our judicial system is created to interpret the law and protect others’ rights under our Constitution; while, law enforcement is created to enforce the law, as they did with the protesters at Nguoi Viet Newspaper. The ramification of what is happening in the civil courthouse regarding a preliminary injunction against some wrongful conducts of the protesters and charges in the criminal courthouse will create a “chilling effect” on future protesters in Little Saigon to protest peacefully and in an appropriate manner.

    However, I believe your insinuation of these protesters as being “Thugs” is quit harsh. Some of these protesters are educated and well-respected individuals in the Vietnamese-American community and are considered to be the voice of Vietnamese immigrants living in the United States.

    As for Janet coming out to speak against the protesters, that will never happened anytime soon – mostly in an election year. Even she is not that obtuse to oust herself from the Vietnamese-American community and throwing any vote or support that she might have, if any, to the Trannies. In my opinion, such action is no less than a “political suicide.”

    As for the Trannies supporting the protesters, you should know that they support the “cause” (anti-communist) behind all the protests and not the violation of other people’s rights in pursuit and expression of that cause. Of course, like any protests (i.e. – the protest in San Francisco against the China government’s treatment of Tibetans), there will always be a few that overreact because of they are so…. adamant about their beliefs and causes.

  12. April 9, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “You have no clue. When do you ever speak to Janet? NEVER. I speak to her quite often. She has in fact told me that she is in no way connected to the protesters and she is not supporting them. Is that clear enough for you?”

    LOL…LOL…LOL!!!!

    Excuse me while I finish laughing…LOL…OK

    Pedroza are you kidding? Forgive me if I am hesitant to take your word on this, but c’mon, your track record for telling the truth isn’t actually stellar.

    You repeating an alleged private conversation you had with Janet isn’t exactly concrete evidence verifying her condemnation of the anti-freedom protesters in Little Saigon. I wouldn’t exactly call that putting her position on the record.

    If what you say is the truth then why doesn’t Janet’s campaign or her county office issue a statement verifying what you say?

    If this is what she truly believes she should have no problem issuing a statement. Right?

    I think I will contact her campaign tomorrow and ask them to go on the record against the tyrannical thugs against freedom. I will post what I find out here on the LiberalOC tomorrow after I speak with her office.

  13. April 10, 2008 at 9:30 am

    sean do you know for sure that janet brought the communists water? because that would mean janet nguyen is also a communist. and “thats y we have laws,” are you serious?! you said “some of these protesters are educated and well-respected in the vietnamese-american community and are considered to be the voice of vietnamese immigrants living in the united states” ?! if they are so educated why havent they “educated” themselves on our constitution? and if these communists represent vietnamese immigrants what does that say about the vietnamese immigrants? another thing, when you refer to these communists in the future dont refer to them as vietnamese-americans lose the american part because if they were true “americans “they wouldnt be out there trying to shut down a newspaper. i also see some of these communists wearing the american flag as if it were a shirt. this to me is offensive but you know what? as an american i deal with it because in this country we can do those things.and i would fight and die for his right to disrespect the american flag. heres a quote from a great american: “the liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. we have received them as fair inhertence from our worthy ancestors; they purchased them for us with and danger and expense of treasure and blood. it will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and desighning men”-SAMUEL ADAMS

  14. Let's be honest
    April 10, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Jose:

    “if they are so educated why havent they “educated” themselves on our constitution? and if these communists represent vietnamese immigrants what does that say about the vietnamese immigrants?”

    First of all, I said some of these protesters are educated. Education comes in all levels. One might be educated in their homeland but is not educated in their country of current resident. How do you know that these educated protesters are the same one that are violating the law?

    Before you start calling them “communists,” go back to school and take Political Science 101 to understand and know what it is first. These protesters are protesting for “freedom” and not for oppression by the government. You only know what you see and not what is behind the story.

    It is good that you are a patriotic American, but so am I. That doesn’t mean I should accept communist’s violation of human rights, and oppression of their people. If you so much honor and believe in our Constitution, then you should accept that these protesters have the same right as all of us to protest in a peaceful manner, and any violation of any laws during such protest will be handled accordingly by our law enforcement and judicial system.

  15. April 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    “these protesters have the same right as all of us to protest in a peaceful manner, and any violation of any laws during such protest will be handled accordingly by our law enforcement and judicial system.”

    You are correct. They don’t however have the right to violate other peoples rights in the process.

    If they don’t like something in a newspaper, don’t buy the newspaper. However they choose to use threats, intimidation, assault and bullying as their tools.

  16. April 10, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    “lets be honest”, lets be honest shall we?,i dont care where a person was educated and i dont care where they come from. everybody has the right to live the american dream. if they come to this country they must follow our laws and educate themselves on the laws of this country if they are ignorant of such laws especially if they’re gonna call for the closing down of a newspaper. but what you dont seem to understand is they dont follow the rules and them throwing around the word communist like i do doesnt make them any more right to use that word. but the word communist is always thrown around by these protesters (communists) the thing is the newspaper is going by our constitutional rights but the protesters are not. you also say: “these protesters are protesting for “freedom” and not for oppression from the government” now thats funny! dont you get it? THEY HAVE FREEDOM, THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM AND THEY ARE THE ONES OPPRESSING OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR CITIZENS AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. maybe you should go back to school and take political science 101 yourself. obviously you’re not getting it. you wouldnt happen to be a communist would you?

  17. You sound politically infantile, Jose!
    April 11, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Jose:

    There you go again! Accusing everybody of being a commie. Have you graduated from high school yet???

    FYI: I have taken Poli Sci. 101 and had achieved much higher education than your mind can handle.

    “THEY HAVE FREEDOM, THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM AND THEY ARE THE ONES OPPRESSING OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR CITIZENS AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.”

    So are you saying that anybody that lives in the U.S. that protests are trying to take away our freedom. Hahaha… What a ludicrous and obtuse statement! You still don’t understand why these protesters are out there protesting against the Vietnam communist flag. Of course, you don’t. You don’t have families, relatives and friends that were murder, rape and forced to leave their country of origin. Maybe you should speak to some Cubans in Miami, Florida. Maybe they’ll enlighten you as to how it is like to live under a communist regime.

    As for oppressing our government, please… Do you even know what you are talking about? I don’t think these small groups of protesters have much impact on the U.S. government, let alone, oppress them. If the late “powerful” Soviet Union of Rupublican (the biggest communist government back in the 80′s) and China (the biggerst communist county now) cannot influence the U.S. government, what make you think that these small groups of protesters will????

    Until you truly understand politics and why we have law enforcement and the judicial system, and maybe if you go back to school (I mean college level) for several more years, you will never understand my comments.

  18. April 17, 2008 at 8:29 am

    “you sound politcally infintile”, or whoever you are i dont know why you dont give your real name, so in other words if i went to college and got a higher education i could be as ignorant as you? man i blew it! believe me i know plenty of people with masters degrees who are idiots it doest automaticly make you smarter or better than anybody else. since you went to college and all i would figure you knew how to read but obviously you dont. i never said people who protest are taking our freedoms what i am against is that they become violent and make threats. if it was up to these protesters (communists) they would have shut down that paper. you ask “do you think such a small group of protesters have much impact on us government”? i know these “little groups” have an impact on our local government and how we live lets not forget how these “little groups” shut down tony lam’s restaurant a few years ago do you remember that? he was accused of being a communist by people behaving like communists. and this type of behavior and thinking is like a cancer on our government and yes, i see them as a threat to our freedoms. and as far as “they are just protesting the vietnamese communist flag” they need to understand where they now live. people can display any flag they want in their home and their business legally. dont you get that? and do you think the vietnamese people were the only people in the world who lost everything? you think they have an exclusive on that type of horror and genocide? maybe you should read a history book and understand where you live. and the first thing you wrote was: “jose, there you go again accusing everybody of being a commie” well whoever you are, isnt that what these protesters are doing? accusing everybody of being commies? it seems everytime i turn around somebody in the vietnamese community is calling somebody a communist. but they take it much further and become violent. thats what you dont get. they dont have a right to be violent. and if they dont like our laws they can go right back to vietnam. and by the way, did you actually spend money on your “education”? if so you might want to look into getting a refund.

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