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	<title>Comments on: Fear, Loathing, &amp; A Powerful OC Politico Loom Over Downtown Garden Grove</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayor Pro Tem Rosen-

Thank you for stopping by to share your point of view. It&#039;s always appreciated when our local leaders drop by to let us know what&#039;s happening. 

So Main Street is &quot;dead&quot; most of the time? Is that how business owners there describe the regular traffic there? And will there be an effort to preserve the businesses on Main Street if the Sheldon project goes through? Is there a plan to mitigate the possible parking problem?

I&#039;ll look at the court documents to see if I can find the answers to these questions I still have about the project. But really, thanks for coming by and giving us a direct answer. If we had more elected officials here in OC who weren&#039;t afraid to communicate with their electorate, I bet we wouldn&#039;t have so many problems with so many of them. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayor Pro Tem Rosen-</p>
<p>Thank you for stopping by to share your point of view. It&#8217;s always appreciated when our local leaders drop by to let us know what&#8217;s happening. </p>
<p>So Main Street is &#8220;dead&#8221; most of the time? Is that how business owners there describe the regular traffic there? And will there be an effort to preserve the businesses on Main Street if the Sheldon project goes through? Is there a plan to mitigate the possible parking problem?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look at the court documents to see if I can find the answers to these questions I still have about the project. But really, thanks for coming by and giving us a direct answer. If we had more elected officials here in OC who weren&#8217;t afraid to communicate with their electorate, I bet we wouldn&#8217;t have so many problems with so many of them. <img src='http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

I suggest you get a copy (and post it) of the judge&#039;s decision in the lawsuit. He wrote a detailed opinion and addressed each of the issues listed by you. I&#039;m sure Scott Weimer has a copy.

I salute Sharon Sunda for posting in her own name. (Her husband was my appointee to an OCTA commission.) I dispute that merchants are threatened for supporting the lawsuit. Scott Weimer&#039;s wife Rebecca continues to sit on the Main Street Parking Commission. 

I voted for the Sheldon project because Main Street is dead most of the time. The parking lot in question is usually empty. The Sheldon project will hopefully bring pedestrians into the area and help revitalize Main Street. 

Finally, Matt Fertal bought a condominium at the Chapman Commons for one of his children. He does not live in Garden Grove. I would like to see city administrators live in the city they work for, but that&#039;s a discussion for another day.

Mark Rosen
Garden Grove Mayor Pro Tem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I suggest you get a copy (and post it) of the judge&#8217;s decision in the lawsuit. He wrote a detailed opinion and addressed each of the issues listed by you. I&#8217;m sure Scott Weimer has a copy.</p>
<p>I salute Sharon Sunda for posting in her own name. (Her husband was my appointee to an OCTA commission.) I dispute that merchants are threatened for supporting the lawsuit. Scott Weimer&#8217;s wife Rebecca continues to sit on the Main Street Parking Commission. </p>
<p>I voted for the Sheldon project because Main Street is dead most of the time. The parking lot in question is usually empty. The Sheldon project will hopefully bring pedestrians into the area and help revitalize Main Street. </p>
<p>Finally, Matt Fertal bought a condominium at the Chapman Commons for one of his children. He does not live in Garden Grove. I would like to see city administrators live in the city they work for, but that&#8217;s a discussion for another day.</p>
<p>Mark Rosen<br />
Garden Grove Mayor Pro Tem</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 3:51-

WOW! Those are some serious issues! So are you leading me to the conclusion that City Manager Matt Fertal &amp; Mayor Bill Dalton set up a &quot;quid pro quo&quot; arrangement with DR Horton and Steve Sheldon for this whole Main Street condo project? If you have more evidence, PLEASE PROVIDE IT. 

You are always free to email me tips for this story at atdnext ATgmailDOTcom. And same goes to all the rest of you who have juicy details on this developing scandal in Garden Grove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 3:51-</p>
<p>WOW! Those are some serious issues! So are you leading me to the conclusion that City Manager Matt Fertal &#038; Mayor Bill Dalton set up a &#8220;quid pro quo&#8221; arrangement with DR Horton and Steve Sheldon for this whole Main Street condo project? If you have more evidence, PLEASE PROVIDE IT. </p>
<p>You are always free to email me tips for this story at atdnext ATgmailDOTcom. And same goes to all the rest of you who have juicy details on this developing scandal in Garden Grove.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,
Allow wm e to answer a few questions posted in this thread.
First, the assumption of corruption can be substantiated. Mayor Bill Dalton had accepted a $1,000 donation from Steve Sheldon just four days after he voted to approve the project in question.
Second, on this issue of staff lining their pockets. Just recently within the last three months, City manager Matt Fertal moved into a condominium unit at the Chapman Commons condominiums near the corner of Chapman and Harbor Blvd. This property was developed by homebuilder giant DR Horton.
DR Horton purchased this property at a substantial profit to the seller who just so happens to beee........(Drum roll please) STEVE SHELDON!!!!) 

Up to this point Mr. Fertal lived in Huntington Beach. And has made public announcements that he is going to be occupying the condominium at Chapman Commons. Has Mr. Fertal recently been divorced necessitating a move? I donâ€™t know. But this move which was published in the Garden Grove Journal some months ago prompted the rumor that Matt Fertal may run for City Council. 
This theory is hogwash since Matt Fertal receives a salary of nearly 200 thousand dollars a year in his city manager position which he would not be able to hold if he were a Council member. 

The truth can be found in records relating to the property at Chapman Commons. Did Mr. Fertal take a condominium in exchange for his complicity in forcing the Sheldon Main Street Project onto the city of Garden Grove?

For some background, Mr. Sheldon makes deals all the time such as this with his clients which happen to be City Council members of several cities in OC. one of his favorite things to do is to buy up Trailer Home parks and evict the residents in order to build McMansions on the property.

He recently penned one of these deals in the city of Orange with City Councilman Dennis Bileadeu (Remember the sign stealing Scandal with him and Carol Rudat didnâ€™t live in Orange?) 

Anyway, there is deep rooted corruption in Garden Grove. I suggest a recall or outright effort to unseat all incumbents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
Allow wm e to answer a few questions posted in this thread.<br />
First, the assumption of corruption can be substantiated. Mayor Bill Dalton had accepted a $1,000 donation from Steve Sheldon just four days after he voted to approve the project in question.<br />
Second, on this issue of staff lining their pockets. Just recently within the last three months, City manager Matt Fertal moved into a condominium unit at the Chapman Commons condominiums near the corner of Chapman and Harbor Blvd. This property was developed by homebuilder giant DR Horton.<br />
DR Horton purchased this property at a substantial profit to the seller who just so happens to beee&#8230;&#8230;..(Drum roll please) STEVE SHELDON!!!!) </p>
<p>Up to this point Mr. Fertal lived in Huntington Beach. And has made public announcements that he is going to be occupying the condominium at Chapman Commons. Has Mr. Fertal recently been divorced necessitating a move? I donâ€™t know. But this move which was published in the Garden Grove Journal some months ago prompted the rumor that Matt Fertal may run for City Council.<br />
This theory is hogwash since Matt Fertal receives a salary of nearly 200 thousand dollars a year in his city manager position which he would not be able to hold if he were a Council member. </p>
<p>The truth can be found in records relating to the property at Chapman Commons. Did Mr. Fertal take a condominium in exchange for his complicity in forcing the Sheldon Main Street Project onto the city of Garden Grove?</p>
<p>For some background, Mr. Sheldon makes deals all the time such as this with his clients which happen to be City Council members of several cities in OC. one of his favorite things to do is to buy up Trailer Home parks and evict the residents in order to build McMansions on the property.</p>
<p>He recently penned one of these deals in the city of Orange with City Councilman Dennis Bileadeu (Remember the sign stealing Scandal with him and Carol Rudat didnâ€™t live in Orange?) </p>
<p>Anyway, there is deep rooted corruption in Garden Grove. I suggest a recall or outright effort to unseat all incumbents.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon-

That&#039;s quite disturbing. So city leadership is really intimidating downtown business owners? That&#039;s just wrong. If these city council members use intimidation tactics to scare the opposition and pass favors along to allies, then they&#039;re clearly in the wrong.

let&#039;s party &amp; its me-

Yep, yep, yep- I hear &#039;ya. If this is how Garden Grove council members think &quot;business&quot; should be conducted, then these council members don&#039;t deserve another term. Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon-</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite disturbing. So city leadership is really intimidating downtown business owners? That&#8217;s just wrong. If these city council members use intimidation tactics to scare the opposition and pass favors along to allies, then they&#8217;re clearly in the wrong.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s party &#038; its me-</p>
<p>Yep, yep, yep- I hear &#8216;ya. If this is how Garden Grove council members think &#8220;business&#8221; should be conducted, then these council members don&#8217;t deserve another term. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: SHARON SUNDA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHARON SUNDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great follow-up!  Unfortunately, there are still many Garden Grove residents who do not realize the shenanigans of our city government.  If they did, I am certain that there would be more outrage and more contributions to help with the fight of the Downtown Merchants.  Even some of the merchants are Main Street are reluctant to become involved, due to retribution.  One in particular was attempting to modify his building, and kept having roadblock after roadblock thrown at him, until he distanced himself from the Downtown Merchants Association.  Miraculously, once he did that, everything went smoothly and he is now up and running.  What a sad commentary on our City Staff. There have been rumors for years of city staff padding their pockets, but how would you ever prove it?
Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great follow-up!  Unfortunately, there are still many Garden Grove residents who do not realize the shenanigans of our city government.  If they did, I am certain that there would be more outrage and more contributions to help with the fight of the Downtown Merchants.  Even some of the merchants are Main Street are reluctant to become involved, due to retribution.  One in particular was attempting to modify his building, and kept having roadblock after roadblock thrown at him, until he distanced himself from the Downtown Merchants Association.  Miraculously, once he did that, everything went smoothly and he is now up and running.  What a sad commentary on our City Staff. There have been rumors for years of city staff padding their pockets, but how would you ever prove it?<br />
Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: lets party</title>
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		<dc:creator>lets party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smells like corruption to me.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.  I&#039;m not voting for any Garden Grove incumbents this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smells like corruption to me.  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.  I&#8217;m not voting for any Garden Grove incumbents this year.</p>
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		<title>By: its me</title>
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		<dc:creator>its me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The City Council should be replaced.  They are neglecting to do the job they ran for.  They forget public service is a trust.  I bet you will see large campaign donations made to these snakes.  Time to clean house and vote in a new Council and Mayor.  Maybe the citizens will be able to take back the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City Council should be replaced.  They are neglecting to do the job they ran for.  They forget public service is a trust.  I bet you will see large campaign donations made to these snakes.  Time to clean house and vote in a new Council and Mayor.  Maybe the citizens will be able to take back the city.</p>
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