Logan Wants To Thank Everyone For Their Support

I just got off the phone with Sam Romero and he wanted to let me know that he, Joe Andrade and the folks in the Logan Neighborhood wanted to thank all those expressed support for the neighborhood at Monday’s meeting about the Renaissance Specific Plan held at city hall.  Mr. Romero was especially appreciative of all of those business owners that came to their defense, especially when Judy Ware’s attorney Patrick Munoz referred to Logan as “crummy little houses”.

For those that aren’t familiar with the Logan Barrio, it is located in eastern Santa Ana just north of Santa Ana Boulevard and the train station.  It is the oldest neighborhood in our city and many of its residents, including Romero and Andrade, can trace roots there back to about 1886.  I would encourage everyone interested in local history to purchase the new book by Mary Garcia titled Santa Ana’s Logan Barrio:  It’s History, Stories, and Families.

In recent years the neighborhood has come under seige from a trash company, Ware Disposal, who have been operating illegally and thumbing their collective noses at the neighborhood, the law and all residents of Santa Ana. 

Again from Sam, Joe and the folks of the Logan Neighborhood a big “THANK YOU” to all for your support.  Lets keep the pressure on and bring Ware to justice for the good of Logan and for the good of our entire community.

  31 comments for “Logan Wants To Thank Everyone For Their Support

  1. Mike Tardif
    February 8, 2008 at 10:15 am


    And a big shout out – THANK YOU – to the Logan residents for their support of industrial property and business owners !!

    We will continue to work with residents for the best outcome from the RSP for everyone.

    Mike Tardif (714) 547-7135
    Bob Adams (714) 543-4227

  2. Anonymous
    February 8, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    The immediate problems facing Logan are Ware Disposal’s code violations and the proposed Residential-Industrial zoning for Logan in the Renaissance Plan.

    Sean, can you post weekly updates here on Liberal OC so that those of us who care about Logan can push for progress on the resolution of Ware Disposal’s offenses that have had a negative impact on this community.

    The proposed Residential-Industrial zoning for Logan in the Renaissance Plan will effectively allow most industrial, manufacturing, and storage uses to exist in Logan. Isn’t this the oldest RESIDENTIAL neighborhood in Santa Ana?

    The city should offer assistance to the industrial owners in the Logan neighborhood to relocate to another industrially-zoned property in the city.

    Sal, Michelle, anybody on the City Council, please help!

  3. February 8, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Has Sal Tinajero apologized to Sam Romero and the rest of the Logan residents yet for taking money from Judy Ware for his Measure D campaign – you know, the one that he signed on to with respect to its ballot argument statement?

  4. February 8, 2008 at 2:04 pm


    Sal has no reason to apologize to the Logan residents. He has a good relationship with Sam, Joe Andrade and others in the neighborhood. Stop trying to create a rift when there is none.

    That is all you are about. Your anger and hatred supercedes everything else. Do the folks of Logan a favor and don’t champion their cause. Your involvement is the kiss of death.

    Measure D won and your side lost!!! Get over it already.

    And please do us all a favor and try to stay on point on our blog. This post was not about Measure D. If you want to rant and throw hissy fits please do it on the Orange Junk.

  5. thesunkenroad
    February 8, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Let’s not turn this into another Martinez/Sal contest, okay? Mayor Bishop of Dana Point responded to my email about Patrick Munoz saying he’d “look into it.” Sean, you have suggested a possible trip down there. I think a follow up on that idea would show good solidarity with the people of Logan. Are you organizing anything? What’s the status? … from the blogosphere to Munoz’s-sphere… let’s get all the facts into a reasonable flier and go.

  6. February 8, 2008 at 2:24 pm


    Thomas Gordon and myself are planning to go to the next Dana Point City Council meeting which is scheduled for February 19th. I talked to Sam Romero about it and he may be joining us. I will post all the info right here on the Liberal OC so that everyone that wants to join us can.

    I have been contacted by media outlets that are also interested in Mr. Munoz’s comments. It is time to turn the heat up. I’ll be sure to keep you in the loop.

  7. Dick Cabeza
    February 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    I agree with Art.

    Any elected who takes campaign money from Ware or related parties should go on a DO NOT VOTE FOR list.

    Yee -haw !! Let’s make up a pinata to resemble mr. munoz for Cinco de Mayo !!

  8. February 8, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Well Dick, Sal did not take any campaign money from Ware or related parties. He was not part of any campaign committee that took money from Ware or related parties.

    Now as I told Art, please try and stay on point. This post is not about campaign funding or anything else, it is about the folks and Logan wanting to thank people for their support.


  9. Dick Cabeza
    February 8, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    I hear you Sean – but can’t we SPANK those people who are HURTING Logan ??

  10. Anonymous
    February 8, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    The people of Logan may be offended by Munoz’s comments, but the real impact on the quality of life in Logan is Ware’s violations of the city’s code.

    Even if Munoz disappears, Ware is still bad news for Logan.

    Art, give Sal a chance to prove himself on the issue of Ware and Logan. If progress is not made on the correction of code violations by Ware, then give Sal and ALL of the other Councilmembers hell.

    Sean, will you post weekly updates here on Liberal OC on the progress (or the lack of progress) being made on the resolution of Ware Disposal’s offenses in Logan? Art, perhaps you could do the same on Orange Juice?

  11. Dick Cabeza
    February 8, 2008 at 4:48 pm


    You make a lot of sense.
    But, it would be more fun to see Art & Sean go 5 rounds at Santa Ana Boxing Club.

  12. jose s.
    February 8, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    that would be a great fight i’ll take mill in the second by TKO

  13. The Lovable Curmudgeon
    February 8, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I recall Art Pedroza signing a ballot argument for a statewide initiative in the last year or two. As a signer, does he take personal responsibility for each entity that gave money in support of his position?

  14. February 8, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Lovable Curmudgeon,

    With what we know about Ware, it would be irresponsible to allow any campaign we are working on to take her blood money. Sal could have told her to take it back. Or he could have insisted that Claudia give it back. But he did nothing, which is pretty much par for the course.

    Sean keeps saying he and Sal were not involved in the Measure D campaign, but they were at the Measure D election night party…I wonder if Ware’s money paid for the food and drinks?

  15. thesunkenroad
    February 8, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Awesome Sean. I’ll spread the word too. Feb 19th. Let’s make a flier or something to hand out. Got a reliable list of the offenses in official-ese and a news account of Munoz’s comments?


  16. Anonymous
    February 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Muñoz “currently serves as the City Attorney for the cities of Dana Point and Twentynine Palms, and as a Deputy City Attorney for the City of Irvine; he has previously served as the Assistant City Attorney in the cities of San Fernando, West Covina and Baldwin Park.” http://www.rutan.com/sitecontent.cfm?section=attorneys&page=attorney_bio&itemID=77

  17. Anonymous
    February 8, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Art, move on from Measure D! The people of Logan want Ware out of their neighborhood. They don’t care about Ware and Measure D!

    If Art, Sal, Sean or anybody else who states that they care about Logan really does care about Logan, they will push the City Attorney to follow through with enforcement of the long list of violations on Ware’s properties in Logan.

  18. February 9, 2008 at 8:05 am

    anon 10:16,

    Well, here’s a question to ponder. Who was on the City Council when they voted to allow Ware to expand their operations in Logan? Who voted on this in the first place?

    And I must disagree with you re Measure D. Any simpleton can connect the dots. Those who backed Measure D have culpability for taking Ware’s dirty money. Sal Tinajero and Pulido signed on to the Measure D ballot statement. Pulido’s face was also plastered all over the Measure D mailers. The campaign was run out of Claudia Alvarez’ home and it was her voice on one of the robo-calls. And Vince Sarmiento had a Measure D sign in front of his house. They all were at the Measure D party, eating and drinking food bought with Ware’s dirty money. Connect the dots…

  19. Anonymous
    February 9, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Art, please elaborate on the specifics of the City Council voting to allow Ware to expand it’s operations. Was there a vote by the City Council? If so, who were the members to support Ware’s expansion? Had the city cited Ware before expanded their operations?

  20. February 9, 2008 at 6:08 pm


    Generally, the Planning Commission would vote first, to allow Ware to expand their operations, via a CUP, conditional use permit. Then the City Council would vote to approve this. So the question is, when did these votes take place – and who cast the votes? Sean would know. Why is he being mum about this?

    Also, what was Ware promised in return for her donations to Measure D? Did Sal promise to run interference with regard to the alleged violations? Who knows? Sean and Sal do, but they aren’t talking.

  21. Anonymous
    February 9, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Art, why don’t you actually do some homework instead of making assumptions about Sal Tinajero and state exactly what happened?

    If Ware’s expansion of operations was voted on by the City Council, I think everybody would like to know who on the City Council voted for Ware and against Logan.

  22. Mose
    February 9, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    The answers to your questions are at City Hall.

    It is as simple as writing a letter requesting specific information and submitting same to the City Clerk.

    There are state and federal laws which require the requested public information to be supplied by the City in a timely fashion.

  23. February 10, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    To all that want to know,

    There has been no vote taken by the Planning Commission or the City Council in regards to Ware’s expansion. They have simply expanded their operations without getting the proper permits. In short they are violating the law.

    Please just ignore Art Pedroza. He is simply trying to stir the pot and create some sort of issue when there isn’t one regarding Sal, myself and Ware. Folks are growing ever tired of his ridiculous allegations and accusations.

    For the record, on election night I was with Sal, Vince and Claudia and no the food was not provided by Ware. This is yet another concoction of Art’s vivid imagination.

    We need to stay focused on this issue at hand, which is Ware’s activities in Logan. Let Art stand on the corner and yell at parked cars if he wants. The rest of us can focus on what’s important.

  24. Dick Cabeza
    February 11, 2008 at 6:36 am

    Sean –
    You cannot deny that Ware and cronies supported the Yes on D campaign.

    And that certain members of the council were active in their support of Yes on D to extend their terms on the council.

    The mayor supported Yes on D and benefitted by extending control of his puppets on the council.

    Sean says – “Lets keep the pressure on and bring Ware to justice for the good of Logan and for the good of our entire community.”

    I agree – and the City Council needs to feel that pressure. We must hold them accountable.

    Those who accept support from the criminal are complicit in the crime.

  25. logan barrio resident
    February 11, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Perhaps many of the bloggers and readers need to read the U.S. Constitution again. Your witch hunt is just that! Your hanging those people who fight for the very right to give you the ability to write your blogs. The residents in Logan are within a mixed use area as they have been for 30 years. The history that is spoken of involves businesses as well. I looked up Ware, and they have owned property since 1978 in Logan. The Andrades rebuilt a two story house back in the 90’s after their single story shack burnt down. Let the truth be told! They rebuilt their house in Logan? Ask them why? Why didnt they move away from the Ware yard. Why would they want to live next to a heavy industrial property? Your guess is as good as anyones! Wait I couldnt hear you the AMTRACK went by. Say again. !
    Give people the truth not your lies!!!!!!!!

  26. Dick Cabeza
    February 11, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Dear “logan barrio resident”,

    Your rant makes no sense.

    Also please explain what statements you believe are lies.

    I think you are that rat attorney for Ware – pat munoz.

    Yeah – “tear down those crummy shacks in Logan” – that pat munoz.

  27. logan barrio resident
    February 11, 2008 at 9:56 am

    DC- I didn’t hear you the train went by. Oh wait, I need to get my goggles and a respirator, the County is buring another corpse.
    Get your stories straight.Stop the lies!

  28. Measure D supporter
    February 11, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Hey I read about all the sad faces when Measure D won……..!!!!

  29. Dick Cabeza
    February 11, 2008 at 10:16 am

    dear logan barrio resident – (right, ha -ha)

    what is your point ?

    be specific – describe the lies being told about ware , yes on D, the city council.

    I will be pleased to answer, as far as I have knowledge, each and every specific allegation you make.

    otherwise you are just ranting and sounding more like that R.B. pat munoz.

  30. February 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm


    So who paid for the food? Did the Measure D campaign pay for it? If so, guess what? Ware put money in that campaign. Ergo they paid for your comida. It really is very simple Sean.

    Quick question. Sal is allied with Claudia, Vince and Miguel. That seems like a Council majority to me. Why don’t the four of them pressure Dave Ream to shut down Ware? If there really was no CUP, then can’t the city shut them down? Why is your Council majority so powerless against Ream?

    If Ream is not the issue, then perhaps you can tell us what Pulido and company promised Ware in return for their contributions to Measure D. What did they get for their money? Did they pay for the City to look the other way? That is what it is starting to look like Sean.

    You and Sal talk a lot about helping Logan, but Sal was happy to take Ware’s money during the Measure D campaign. That stinks more than Ware’s trash!

  31. Anonymous
    February 11, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Art, I see that you never did your homework. It’s easier to make up stuff than to confirm facts.

    Can anybody on here clear things up about whether Ware has the right permits to operate in Logan and whether they ever had to go to the City Council for approval and if they went to City Council, who voted in favor of Ware?

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