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	<title>Comments on: Ad Hoc Committee Will Work</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13197</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so hard about televising both City Council meetings? What is their to study about televising them? It was done very recently!

Begin televising both meetings immediately and then let this â€œAd-hoc committeeâ€ iron out the rest of the other avenues to make Santa Ana city government more open, such as internet, podcasts, e-notification, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so hard about televising both City Council meetings? What is their to study about televising them? It was done very recently!</p>
<p>Begin televising both meetings immediately and then let this â€œAd-hoc committeeâ€ iron out the rest of the other avenues to make Santa Ana city government more open, such as internet, podcasts, e-notification, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13190</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ad Hoc committee meetings ARE NOT subject to the Brown Act.  There they go, hiding from the public again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ad Hoc committee meetings ARE NOT subject to the Brown Act.  There they go, hiding from the public again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Lovable Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13185</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lovable Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly 8 years ago I managed a city council campaign in WeHo (we won).
At that time council meetings were shown LIVE on local cable.  Concerned citizens were known, on occasion, to storm the council meetings in their slippers and pajamas to voice their opinions after seeing something on television.
I believe the meetings there are now streamed live on the internet.
Some SA councilmembers will have you believe that the technology to broadcast every meeting has not migrated 30 miles southeast in 8 years.  Odd.
Who are they afraid of?  What are they hiding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly 8 years ago I managed a city council campaign in WeHo (we won).<br />
At that time council meetings were shown LIVE on local cable.  Concerned citizens were known, on occasion, to storm the council meetings in their slippers and pajamas to voice their opinions after seeing something on television.<br />
I believe the meetings there are now streamed live on the internet.<br />
Some SA councilmembers will have you believe that the technology to broadcast every meeting has not migrated 30 miles southeast in 8 years.  Odd.<br />
Who are they afraid of?  What are they hiding?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Spaulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Spaulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right. This is really starting to piss me off. Full disclosure: I&#039;m not like so many of you guys. I&#039;ve lived in Santa Ana for 23 - months, not years, Orange County for almost 4 years. I obviously have lots and lots to learn.

But I did not crawl out from under a rock the morning I moved here. 

in 1984 I served on the Executive Board of the West Hollywood Incorporation Committee. A group of people about the size of Michele&#039;s cabal got together, took an area of unincorporated Los Angeles County and created a city. All legal and proper like. This often-maligned city is a booming metropolis of 39,000 residents. What&#039;s that, 12% the size of Santa Ana? And what, about 100 years younger?

From the beginning, that beginning being in 1984, the newly minted city council, every one an amateur who never held public office, felt it important to broadcast every council meeting on cable. I bet more than one was more than merely nervous.

At the time, the city was operating from a single temporary rented office with rented furniture. It was almost as if they were operating from the trunk of the interim city manager&#039;s car. There was not a full staff. There were no department heads. The phone number to &quot;city hall&quot; didn&#039;t exist. and you had to know someone to know how to get ahold of anyone.

No one had confidence that this city would survive. Well, no one except the group who conspired to make a city and the voters who wanted greater control of their government. But the rank amateurs who ran the city knew this much: If their business was conducted in the open so the citizens could see what they do and how they do it, with the warts and the silly laws, the city would thrive. And it has. Quite well, thank you very much. 

The smoke and blue mirrors erected by the Santa Ana mayor-for-life, some council members, some staff, and any number of apologists stretch the limits of credulity. It&#039;s pure, unadulterated crap. The vacuum created by their dead air and hidden meetings inevitably leads to all manner of conspiracy theories. It always works that way. Unfortunately, in the case of Santa Ana, the theories appear to be the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right. This is really starting to piss me off. Full disclosure: I&#8217;m not like so many of you guys. I&#8217;ve lived in Santa Ana for 23 &#8211; months, not years, Orange County for almost 4 years. I obviously have lots and lots to learn.</p>
<p>But I did not crawl out from under a rock the morning I moved here. </p>
<p>in 1984 I served on the Executive Board of the West Hollywood Incorporation Committee. A group of people about the size of Michele&#8217;s cabal got together, took an area of unincorporated Los Angeles County and created a city. All legal and proper like. This often-maligned city is a booming metropolis of 39,000 residents. What&#8217;s that, 12% the size of Santa Ana? And what, about 100 years younger?</p>
<p>From the beginning, that beginning being in 1984, the newly minted city council, every one an amateur who never held public office, felt it important to broadcast every council meeting on cable. I bet more than one was more than merely nervous.</p>
<p>At the time, the city was operating from a single temporary rented office with rented furniture. It was almost as if they were operating from the trunk of the interim city manager&#8217;s car. There was not a full staff. There were no department heads. The phone number to &#8220;city hall&#8221; didn&#8217;t exist. and you had to know someone to know how to get ahold of anyone.</p>
<p>No one had confidence that this city would survive. Well, no one except the group who conspired to make a city and the voters who wanted greater control of their government. But the rank amateurs who ran the city knew this much: If their business was conducted in the open so the citizens could see what they do and how they do it, with the warts and the silly laws, the city would thrive. And it has. Quite well, thank you very much. </p>
<p>The smoke and blue mirrors erected by the Santa Ana mayor-for-life, some council members, some staff, and any number of apologists stretch the limits of credulity. It&#8217;s pure, unadulterated crap. The vacuum created by their dead air and hidden meetings inevitably leads to all manner of conspiracy theories. It always works that way. Unfortunately, in the case of Santa Ana, the theories appear to be the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: thesunkenroad</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13175</link>
		<dc:creator>thesunkenroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open up the meetings. Broadcast them. Allow public comment before and after. All those are reasonable ideas, well-tested elsewhere. Now here&#039;s a possible innovation that has been tested nowhere: allow the public to comment in real time during the council meetings... somebody says something you don&#039;t like? Tell everyone that instant! That&#039;d fix &#039;em. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open up the meetings. Broadcast them. Allow public comment before and after. All those are reasonable ideas, well-tested elsewhere. Now here&#8217;s a possible innovation that has been tested nowhere: allow the public to comment in real time during the council meetings&#8230; somebody says something you don&#8217;t like? Tell everyone that instant! That&#8217;d fix &#8216;em. <img src='http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so hard about televising both City Council meetings?  What is their to study about televising them?  It was done very recently!  

Begin televising both meetings immediately and then let this &quot;Ad-hoc committee&quot; iron out the rest of the other avenues to make Santa Ana city government more open, such as internet, podcasts, e-notification, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so hard about televising both City Council meetings?  What is their to study about televising them?  It was done very recently!  </p>
<p>Begin televising both meetings immediately and then let this &#8220;Ad-hoc committee&#8221; iron out the rest of the other avenues to make Santa Ana city government more open, such as internet, podcasts, e-notification, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: just asking</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13173</link>
		<dc:creator>just asking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of Councils in the 80&#039;s moved public comments to the end of the agenda to discourage gadflys.  It works in many cities but really does defeat the purpose.  I&#039;ve been impressed with cities that allow public comments at the beginning on any topic, then allow public comment at the end of the evening on any action the council took that night.  Sort of gives the public the last word.  

Public input to the political process, what a concept!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of Councils in the 80&#8217;s moved public comments to the end of the agenda to discourage gadflys.  It works in many cities but really does defeat the purpose.  I&#8217;ve been impressed with cities that allow public comments at the beginning on any topic, then allow public comment at the end of the evening on any action the council took that night.  Sort of gives the public the last word.  </p>
<p>Public input to the political process, what a concept!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Sunshine Act</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/07/ad-hoc-committee-will-work/comment-page-1/#comment-13172</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Sunshine Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince also violated the Brown Act with his backroom deal to toss Gordon off EPIC. Would you find Vince so swell if he did the same to you Sean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince also violated the Brown Act with his backroom deal to toss Gordon off EPIC. Would you find Vince so swell if he did the same to you Sean?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H. Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H. Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cook,

The public may speak on agendized items when they are being discussed, however if they want to speak on non-agendized items they must wait until the end of the meeting.  They must wait until all other business is done and then speak.  At times that means they are they until late in the evening just to be heard.  By moving public comments to the beginning of the meeting you are allowing them to be heard and then go home at a reasonable hour.

I have no idea why the particular 3 in question were picked.  Since this is Sal&#039;s proposal it is only logical that he be one of the 3 members and Claudia has looked into this issue in the past and can bring her knowledge of those past discussions to the table as well.  Vince is very level headed and intelligent and he is a very good choice for this committee in my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cook,</p>
<p>The public may speak on agendized items when they are being discussed, however if they want to speak on non-agendized items they must wait until the end of the meeting.  They must wait until all other business is done and then speak.  At times that means they are they until late in the evening just to be heard.  By moving public comments to the beginning of the meeting you are allowing them to be heard and then go home at a reasonable hour.</p>
<p>I have no idea why the particular 3 in question were picked.  Since this is Sal&#8217;s proposal it is only logical that he be one of the 3 members and Claudia has looked into this issue in the past and can bring her knowledge of those past discussions to the table as well.  Vince is very level headed and intelligent and he is a very good choice for this committee in my humble opinion.</p>
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