Comments on: Both Meetings To Be Televised http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/ Challenging Orange County's right-wing noise machine Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:22:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: just...asking? http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13116 just...asking? Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:41:38 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13116 Michelle understands what private citizen on a city council should be doing! The very best for its residents! Why politics should stop anyone from doing the right thing and not support Michelle's orginal effort is beyond reason. Sean, Sal does not get off this easy...tell him to start acting like a true representative of the people who placed him in office then the healing will begin! Michelle understands what private citizen on a city council should be doing! The very best for its residents!

Why politics should stop anyone from doing the right thing and not support Michelle’s orginal effort is beyond reason.

Sean, Sal does not get off this easy…tell him to start acting like a true representative of the people who placed him in office then the healing will begin!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13112 Anonymous Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:04:09 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13112 Sean, do you still think that "progress" has been made on this issue after reading the agenda for the Jan. 7 City Council meeting? Michelle's motion was to do something. Sal & Co.'s motion is to talk about it and eventually do nothing. Bladerunner is right. Michelle's colleagues could have easily amended her motion to include more, like televising the Planning Commission meetings, but instead could not even second her motion for discussion. Lame politics with lame results! Sean, do you still think that “progress” has been made on this issue after reading the agenda for the Jan. 7 City Council meeting?

Michelle’s motion was to do something.

Sal & Co.’s motion is to talk about it and eventually do nothing.

Bladerunner is right. Michelle’s colleagues could have easily amended her motion to include more, like televising the Planning Commission meetings, but instead could not even second her motion for discussion.

Lame politics with lame results!

]]> By: art lomeli http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13078 art lomeli Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:09:50 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13078 The not televising all council meetings backfired. Now we have Sean doing damage control.The reason given, why Michele's motion is simplistic, Besides not beign accurate is as weak and comical as the reasons given by the other council members and the Mayor not to televise . This issue to now televise with revisions of Michele's motion is intended to redicule and discredit Michele and nothing else. Public outcry made them revisit the issue. Their strategy is to include attacks on Michele to justify the revisit. Sean is blaming Michele for the council not giving a second to her motion?? ??The explanation for this is that her motion did not go far enough so the motion died?????? The hypocrisy is clear and the public sees it. They just keep digging themselves in a whole while trying to damage Michele. It is a pile up on Michele. How petty and vendictive is it to make a bad vote then attack a fellow member that made the right vote? The not televising all council meetings backfired. Now we have Sean doing damage control.The reason given, why Michele’s motion is simplistic, Besides not beign accurate is as weak and comical as the reasons given by the other council members and the Mayor not to televise .

This issue to now televise with revisions of Michele’s motion is intended to redicule and discredit Michele and nothing else. Public outcry made them revisit the issue. Their strategy is to include attacks on Michele to justify the revisit.

Sean is blaming Michele for the council not giving a second to her motion?? ??The explanation for this is that her motion did not go far enough so the motion died??????

The hypocrisy is clear and the public sees it. They just keep digging themselves in a whole while trying to damage Michele. It is a pile up on Michele. How petty and vendictive is it to make a bad vote then attack a fellow member that made the right vote?

]]> By: George Collins http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13066 George Collins Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:29:15 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13066 Both meetings are televised, I put the "un-televised " on Channel 95,97 and 98. I have two years archived and can be played or downloaded at any time. Both meetings will be televised, either by the city or by me. Also I have a survey going on the site asking what people want televised. I am getting yes on all listed. Both meetings are televised, I put the “un-televised ” on Channel 95,97 and 98. I have two years archived and can be played or downloaded at any time. Both meetings will be televised, either by the city or by me.

Also I have a survey going on the site asking what people want televised.

I am getting yes on all listed.

]]> By: Carl Overmyer http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13038 Carl Overmyer Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:00:50 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13038 Rob, Don't hold your breath! Rob, Don’t hold your breath!

]]> By: cook http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13032 cook Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:25:58 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13032 I will believe it when I see it. As of today it is not a listed item on Mondays agenda. I will believe it when I see it.

As of today it is not a listed item on Mondays agenda.

]]> By: The Lovable Curmudgeon http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13027 The Lovable Curmudgeon Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:01:37 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13027 Sean- Your argument that Councilwoman Martinez' proposal was flawed because it did not go far enough is disingenuous at best. Reminds me of Mayor Pulido telling voters he was against Prop. 187 back in the day because it didn't go far enough. I know you remember those days. Sean-
Your argument that Councilwoman Martinez’ proposal was flawed because it did not go far enough is disingenuous at best.
Reminds me of Mayor Pulido telling voters he was against Prop. 187 back in the day because it didn’t go far enough.
I know you remember those days.

]]> By: Bladerunner http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13023 Bladerunner Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:28:56 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13023 I like the idea of including Planning Commission as well as Council meetings but anon is right--petty politics to not even second Michelle's motion for the 3/4 of the loaf. . If they wanted to take it further they could have offered an amendment to add the Planning Commission to the video package. Maybe it was a combination of a)not wanting to give Michelle the credit and b) getting a taste of the almost universal criticism heaped on the council by press and public alike for the decision to only televise one meeting, not second Michelle's motion and the laughable reasons given by the mayor for the above. And Sean, as someone who has long been fighting for change on the outside its good you are seeing the value of working on the inside. The inside-outside strategy is almost always better then one or the other alone. Do you really believe they would have come up with this but for the outside uproar? I like the idea of including Planning Commission as well as Council meetings but anon is right–petty politics to not even second Michelle’s motion for the 3/4 of the loaf. . If they wanted to take it further they could have offered an amendment to add the Planning Commission to the video package.

Maybe it was a combination of a)not wanting to give Michelle the credit and b) getting a taste of the almost universal criticism heaped on the council by press and public alike for the decision to only televise one meeting, not second Michelle’s motion and the laughable reasons given by the mayor for the above.

And Sean, as someone who has long been fighting for change on the outside its good you are seeing the value of working on the inside. The inside-outside strategy is almost always better then one or the other alone. Do you really believe they would have come up with this but for the outside uproar?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/comment-page-1/#comment-13022 Anonymous Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:05:35 +0000 http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/01/03/both-meetings-to-be-televised/#comment-13022 Before we start trying to enact the entire San Francisco Sunshine Ordinance, let's just get both City Council meetings on television and on the internet. Michelle's colleagues could not even second her motion to suggest additional provisions to make Santa Ana city government more open. Before we start trying to enact the entire San Francisco Sunshine Ordinance, let’s just get both City Council meetings on television and on the internet.

Michelle’s colleagues could not even second her motion to suggest additional provisions to make Santa Ana city government more open.

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