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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/12/03/whos-afraid-of-joe-dunn/comment-page-1/#comment-12271</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>northcountystorm,

I never said I did not support Carona the first time.  But ask anyone who knew me back then...I turned on Carona very quickly once I figured out what a piece of crap he was.  

Carona fooled us all the first time...but if he fooled anyone after that then they were big fools indeed.

I am not sure what to make of your last statements.  When I was a Republican activist I was damn good at what I did.  I am now hated by the OC GOP establishment.  But I am probably hated by the DPOC leaders too.  I take no prisoners.  Just look at the awful Democrats on the Santa Ana City Council.  Michele Martinez is the only decent one.

I won&#039;t apologize for my past.  The one thing I have always done is work very hard to advance what I believe in.  I have set aside partisan hackery.  Now I am working hard to elect politicians who actually give a damn about the people.  Those are few and far between, sad to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>northcountystorm,</p>
<p>I never said I did not support Carona the first time.  But ask anyone who knew me back then&#8230;I turned on Carona very quickly once I figured out what a piece of crap he was.  </p>
<p>Carona fooled us all the first time&#8230;but if he fooled anyone after that then they were big fools indeed.</p>
<p>I am not sure what to make of your last statements.  When I was a Republican activist I was damn good at what I did.  I am now hated by the OC GOP establishment.  But I am probably hated by the DPOC leaders too.  I take no prisoners.  Just look at the awful Democrats on the Santa Ana City Council.  Michele Martinez is the only decent one.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t apologize for my past.  The one thing I have always done is work very hard to advance what I believe in.  I have set aside partisan hackery.  Now I am working hard to elect politicians who actually give a damn about the people.  Those are few and far between, sad to say.</p>
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		<title>By: The Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Prevatt,

You left out the third part of this trifecta. Jose Solorio! Solorio is in on this little plan too, yet you gave him a free pass. Why? I think we can all guess why and the answer will lead to the actual mastermind behind this rebellion against Joe Dunn. The mastermind is not Lou, Loretta or Jose. No one would ever expect this person to be the mastermind, but he is a genius, and now Joe Dunn has somehow found himself on this person&#039;s bad side. God help him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Prevatt,</p>
<p>You left out the third part of this trifecta. Jose Solorio! Solorio is in on this little plan too, yet you gave him a free pass. Why? I think we can all guess why and the answer will lead to the actual mastermind behind this rebellion against Joe Dunn. The mastermind is not Lou, Loretta or Jose. No one would ever expect this person to be the mastermind, but he is a genius, and now Joe Dunn has somehow found himself on this person&#8217;s bad side. God help him!</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/12/03/whos-afraid-of-joe-dunn/comment-page-1/#comment-12249</link>
		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris-

I did not mean to suggest that your post reflected OCEA&#039;s positions. I apologize if thats the way it came across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris-</p>
<p>I did not mean to suggest that your post reflected OCEA&#8217;s positions. I apologize if thats the way it came across.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/12/03/whos-afraid-of-joe-dunn/comment-page-1/#comment-12248</link>
		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art- Still don&#039;t get it do you? The 1st S.D. is a Dem v. Rep race. The treasurers and Sheriffs race were Rep v Rep race. Big difference to Dems and Reps even though it may not be to a DTS. You&#039;re entitled to your view but don&#039;t be surprised when Dems or Reps don&#039;t take your opinion seriously in this situation. When it comes to a race where there are no Democrats, the Dems allow people a free choice. Sorry thats a hard one for you to accept. 

By the way, Janet is supported by many of the &quot;ultra right wing&quot; of the Republican Party that Carona had in his corner but somehow you give her a hall pass on that. And Dems are supposed to give her a hall pass on her anti-union positions and her support of Republicans over Democrats in partisan races? Not to mention positioning her to run for the Correa or Sanchez seats. Please don&#039;t insult our intelligence. 

A thought on Carona: maybe some of the Democrats who endorsed Carona followed the advice of respected latino activist Amin David who endorsed Carona when he first ran . After all, he supported Nativo Lopez and John Palacio. As for me, I supported Paul Walters. As for Art Pedroza, isn&#039;t it true that you supported Carona the first time he ran?  How about some full disclosure? 

As for the Santa Ana elections, you say you helped take out Pulido&#039;s hacks, but i thought according to you  everyone but janet  on the council was a Pulido hack. So how does that make your record look? And the only non-hack was someone you tried to defeat.
 People have to live with their past records and you certainly want to hang peoples past endorsements on them. So you have to live with supporting the likes of Bob Dornan, Lupe Moreno, Van Tran,  Rosie Avila and other most wanted candidates. You may have had a Paul on the road to Damascus experience(congratulations) but , again, excuse us if we take your admonishments with a proverbial grain of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art- Still don&#8217;t get it do you? The 1st S.D. is a Dem v. Rep race. The treasurers and Sheriffs race were Rep v Rep race. Big difference to Dems and Reps even though it may not be to a DTS. You&#8217;re entitled to your view but don&#8217;t be surprised when Dems or Reps don&#8217;t take your opinion seriously in this situation. When it comes to a race where there are no Democrats, the Dems allow people a free choice. Sorry thats a hard one for you to accept. </p>
<p>By the way, Janet is supported by many of the &#8220;ultra right wing&#8221; of the Republican Party that Carona had in his corner but somehow you give her a hall pass on that. And Dems are supposed to give her a hall pass on her anti-union positions and her support of Republicans over Democrats in partisan races? Not to mention positioning her to run for the Correa or Sanchez seats. Please don&#8217;t insult our intelligence. </p>
<p>A thought on Carona: maybe some of the Democrats who endorsed Carona followed the advice of respected latino activist Amin David who endorsed Carona when he first ran . After all, he supported Nativo Lopez and John Palacio. As for me, I supported Paul Walters. As for Art Pedroza, isn&#8217;t it true that you supported Carona the first time he ran?  How about some full disclosure? </p>
<p>As for the Santa Ana elections, you say you helped take out Pulido&#8217;s hacks, but i thought according to you  everyone but janet  on the council was a Pulido hack. So how does that make your record look? And the only non-hack was someone you tried to defeat.<br />
 People have to live with their past records and you certainly want to hang peoples past endorsements on them. So you have to live with supporting the likes of Bob Dornan, Lupe Moreno, Van Tran,  Rosie Avila and other most wanted candidates. You may have had a Paul on the road to Damascus experience(congratulations) but , again, excuse us if we take your admonishments with a proverbial grain of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCS,

For the record, my comments on this and other blogs are mine and are not meant in any way to represent the positions of the Orange County Employee&#039;s Association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCS,</p>
<p>For the record, my comments on this and other blogs are mine and are not meant in any way to represent the positions of the Orange County Employee&#8217;s Association.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/12/03/whos-afraid-of-joe-dunn/comment-page-1/#comment-12246</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northcountystorm,

Yes, Martin was, like Carona, a Republican, but he was a MODERATE.  Carona is allied with the ultra right wing of the OC GOP.  You know that.

As for Street, why didn&#039;t your boys just STAY OUT of that race?  That would have been the sensible solution.

Yes, last year I did not endorse Michele.  But you omitted the fact that last year I was a GOP activist.  I recruited a slate of GOP council candidates in Santa Ana.  Ironically, they lost, but they also took out Pulido&#039;s hacks - which allowed Michele to prevail in her ward.

I won&#039;t apologize for what I did as a Republican.  I have since opened my eyes and now, as you know, I think ill of all parties.

The answer to the Dunn dilemma is for him to run for Ward 3 in Santa Ana and take out the last Republican, Carlos &quot;Space Commander&quot; Bustamante.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northcountystorm,</p>
<p>Yes, Martin was, like Carona, a Republican, but he was a MODERATE.  Carona is allied with the ultra right wing of the OC GOP.  You know that.</p>
<p>As for Street, why didn&#8217;t your boys just STAY OUT of that race?  That would have been the sensible solution.</p>
<p>Yes, last year I did not endorse Michele.  But you omitted the fact that last year I was a GOP activist.  I recruited a slate of GOP council candidates in Santa Ana.  Ironically, they lost, but they also took out Pulido&#8217;s hacks &#8211; which allowed Michele to prevail in her ward.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t apologize for what I did as a Republican.  I have since opened my eyes and now, as you know, I think ill of all parties.</p>
<p>The answer to the Dunn dilemma is for him to run for Ward 3 in Santa Ana and take out the last Republican, Carlos &#8220;Space Commander&#8221; Bustamante.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flaming Cat Democrat = Former Joe Dunn staffer or head of his fan club.  It is well documented that Joe&#039;s former staff and loyalists depise Lou Correa with an absolute passion and believes Joe Dunn the only worthy Democrat in Orange County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flaming Cat Democrat = Former Joe Dunn staffer or head of his fan club.  It is well documented that Joe&#8217;s former staff and loyalists depise Lou Correa with an absolute passion and believes Joe Dunn the only worthy Democrat in Orange County.</p>
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		<title>By: Northcountystorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northcountystorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flaming cat democrat---

No, I&#039;m not Lou nor am I on Lou&#039;s staff. But after reading your comments I have to admit the following multiple choice test  as to who you were came to mind:

a) Joe Dunn(quickly discounted--Joe&#039;s got too much class and intelligence to make these comments which will only exacerbate difficulties for him if he does run).

b) A former Dunn leg staffer. Maybe, but you&#039;ve done so much damage--and you probably have no clue as to how much--that you couldn&#039;t be someone that  at least has his best interests at heart.

c) An ideological cold warrior who would like to kick Lou and possibly even Loretta out of the  Little Tent Democratic Party. Could be.

d) A Republican plant, stirring the pot. Gotta be.

I&#039;ve heard both sides of the decision Lou made to run for the Senate. I did not support him in the primary so I think, unlike yourself, I have an ability to look at it objectively. Had Umberg been a stronger candidate, Lou would not have run in the primary. Perata and Loretta would not have done the full court press to get him to run. Most objective observers will tell you that had Lou not won the primary, we&#039;d be talking about Senator Lyn Daucher right now. 

But my point, which you obviously lost, in bringing up the suggestion for Joe to endorse Lou, is if Joe really wants to run for supervisor, you&#039;d think he would want and need Loretta and Lou&#039;s and Jose&#039;s support. 

And please don&#039;t go there about Lou &quot;abandoning the 1st S.D.&quot; People move up the food chain and sometimes their Party loses the seat the incumbent left. 
Somehow I don&#039;t think you would be beating up Tom Umberg who left the 69th Assembly District seat which he had one more term remaining in order to run a quixotic race for Attorney General. The result in the 69th AD? Democrat Mike Metzler lost to Republican Jim Morrisey. And while  Joe  was running for a variety of statewide offices in 2006 due to term limits, he was still the Democratic State Senator for a district that saw a significant Democratic voter registration edge wiped out. Lots of people responsible there but we didn&#039;t nominate Joe in the primary to neglect the political infrastructure of his district. 

Your dissing of Loretta and Lou and Jose are typical of a number of predominately anglo Democrats who rarely if ever gave any support to either Lou or Loretta yet expected them to toe the line, especially when it came time to   endorse candidates. 

I think Joe could be a great supervisor if he is committed to serving. He can raise money, he is intelligent and a gifted orator. he has compassion for the poor and a willingness to challenge, which being on the 1-4 end of many votes he would need. But he is never going to get elected if he or his campaign continue on the self-destructive train of thought that flows through your comments .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flaming cat democrat&#8212;</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not Lou nor am I on Lou&#8217;s staff. But after reading your comments I have to admit the following multiple choice test  as to who you were came to mind:</p>
<p>a) Joe Dunn(quickly discounted&#8211;Joe&#8217;s got too much class and intelligence to make these comments which will only exacerbate difficulties for him if he does run).</p>
<p>b) A former Dunn leg staffer. Maybe, but you&#8217;ve done so much damage&#8211;and you probably have no clue as to how much&#8211;that you couldn&#8217;t be someone that  at least has his best interests at heart.</p>
<p>c) An ideological cold warrior who would like to kick Lou and possibly even Loretta out of the  Little Tent Democratic Party. Could be.</p>
<p>d) A Republican plant, stirring the pot. Gotta be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard both sides of the decision Lou made to run for the Senate. I did not support him in the primary so I think, unlike yourself, I have an ability to look at it objectively. Had Umberg been a stronger candidate, Lou would not have run in the primary. Perata and Loretta would not have done the full court press to get him to run. Most objective observers will tell you that had Lou not won the primary, we&#8217;d be talking about Senator Lyn Daucher right now. </p>
<p>But my point, which you obviously lost, in bringing up the suggestion for Joe to endorse Lou, is if Joe really wants to run for supervisor, you&#8217;d think he would want and need Loretta and Lou&#8217;s and Jose&#8217;s support. </p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t go there about Lou &#8220;abandoning the 1st S.D.&#8221; People move up the food chain and sometimes their Party loses the seat the incumbent left.<br />
Somehow I don&#8217;t think you would be beating up Tom Umberg who left the 69th Assembly District seat which he had one more term remaining in order to run a quixotic race for Attorney General. The result in the 69th AD? Democrat Mike Metzler lost to Republican Jim Morrisey. And while  Joe  was running for a variety of statewide offices in 2006 due to term limits, he was still the Democratic State Senator for a district that saw a significant Democratic voter registration edge wiped out. Lots of people responsible there but we didn&#8217;t nominate Joe in the primary to neglect the political infrastructure of his district. </p>
<p>Your dissing of Loretta and Lou and Jose are typical of a number of predominately anglo Democrats who rarely if ever gave any support to either Lou or Loretta yet expected them to toe the line, especially when it came time to   endorse candidates. </p>
<p>I think Joe could be a great supervisor if he is committed to serving. He can raise money, he is intelligent and a gifted orator. he has compassion for the poor and a willingness to challenge, which being on the 1-4 end of many votes he would need. But he is never going to get elected if he or his campaign continue on the self-destructive train of thought that flows through your comments .</p>
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		<title>By: just...asking?</title>
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		<dc:creator>just...asking?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Joe and Loretta share office space?  Didn&#039;t Joe and Loretta&#039;s office staff work very closely on regional issues?  I received invitations to events which were supported by both Joe and Loretta.  Can someone tell me how and why this supposed political battle begin?

Lou never intended to complete his term as supe.  He was looking for endorsements shortly after his 1st dist election.  I don&#039;t have a problem with that, but he did leave the dist democrats high and dry.  The party never really supported or worked well with Lou.  Even as an assemblymember he couldn&#039;t get any love during endorsement meetings, so nobody should expect him to bend over backwards for the central committee.  

That said, Lou like Joe connects very well with people.  When you go to events and see real people, not big donors, hugging and thanking these two for the help their offices provided to the community it is very touching.  To me that is what being a Democrat is all about, not handouts, but access to fair and equal representation.  The shade of their skin should be of no consequence!

SÃ³lo preguntas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Joe and Loretta share office space?  Didn&#8217;t Joe and Loretta&#8217;s office staff work very closely on regional issues?  I received invitations to events which were supported by both Joe and Loretta.  Can someone tell me how and why this supposed political battle begin?</p>
<p>Lou never intended to complete his term as supe.  He was looking for endorsements shortly after his 1st dist election.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with that, but he did leave the dist democrats high and dry.  The party never really supported or worked well with Lou.  Even as an assemblymember he couldn&#8217;t get any love during endorsement meetings, so nobody should expect him to bend over backwards for the central committee.  </p>
<p>That said, Lou like Joe connects very well with people.  When you go to events and see real people, not big donors, hugging and thanking these two for the help their offices provided to the community it is very touching.  To me that is what being a Democrat is all about, not handouts, but access to fair and equal representation.  The shade of their skin should be of no consequence!</p>
<p>SÃ³lo preguntas?</p>
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