The Elephant in the Room

With the County Board of Supervisors rejecting a proposal today that would allow them to remove a public official from office for a variety of reason (oh, like say a federal corruption indictment), I got a tad excited when I saw a link to this on the Flash Report.

I clicked through only to be disappointed that Adam Probolsky had written the post and not Jon Fleischman, allowing Jon to skate another day (week or month) without comment. So I read Adam’s piece (cut and pasted below so tyou can review).  Not one word about Carona.  Not one.

The Orange County Board of Supervisors rejected a proposal today to put a charter amendment before the voters that would, if passed, give the board the authority to place county-wide elected officials on administrative leave–effectively remove a district attorney or county clerk for example from office, if 4/5 of them so choose. (NOTE: don’t you mean “remove a sheriff?” You left that example out Adam)

It was a bad idea and I applaud the majority for their vote.

One of the most compelling speakers at the board meeting was Assemblyman Todd Spitzer–a former county supervisor and former deputy district attorney. Spitzer is known as a law and order Republican–someone who puts cop and prosecutor on a pedestal (more so than my libertarian sensibilities allow me to).

But Spitzer argued against the proposal because it is inappropriate for the supervisors to serve as judge, jury and executioner. DA Rackauckas also made similar and well put remarks recommending that the board reject the proposal.

How much longer can these guys pretend that there’s no looming cloud over their party by guys like Carona.  It’s sort of like the toddler who plus his ears and sings a nonsensical tune to avoid deaing with reality.  And its fun as hell to watch.

  13 comments for “The Elephant in the Room

  1. Flowerszzz
    November 6, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Dan Really let it go. If Jon does not want to post about ut he does not have to….it is afterall his blog.

  2. November 6, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    I would agree with you if Dan C were asking Jon to comment about the sleazier stuff – Deborah the “former longtime mistress” and such.
    But all he is merely pointing out that Flash Report is mostly ignoring one of the biggest political stories of the year.
    It’s not going away. Fleischman should realize this. Time to weigh in on the matter.

  3. Anonymous
    November 6, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    Fleischam probably needs to stay silent. He might be a witness.

  4. Flowerszzz
    November 6, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    I like Jon but in all reality who cares what he thinks of this and how does his opinion or him posting about it effect your day? If he does not post about it SO WHAT? get over it.

  5. November 6, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    the flashreport as a news source continues to lose credibility every day this story is buried.
    why would flowerzzz be so defensive on this issue?

  6. Dan Chmielewski
    November 6, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    Jon isn’t posting and Adam P ignored “sheriff” as a category of publoi servant that could be removed by the BoS’s failed resolution.

    By yoru logic Flowerzz, Jon could also ignore the Nunez/Charity story and the Perata investigation; but anything against a Democrat flies to the top of the charts. This is a federal indictment on corruption charges against someone Jon says he knows very well. Jon weighs in on Dolittle. Jon weighs in on Jerry Lewis.

    And this case didn’t stop Jon from doing some pro-bono work for Carona.

    I have said on this site if Nunez or Perata have done something illegal, they should pay the price for it. Why is it Democrats are presummed guilty while Republicans are presummed innocent?

    Even Matt is reporting on new developments with original content on OC Blog and he deserves respect for recognizing what is and isn’ a big story. I think Jon is hoping we’ll all forget about it.

  7. Flowerszzz
    November 7, 2007 at 7:28 am

    I am not defensive about it….I just think it is silly to daily report that Jon has not reported. Like I said who cares?

    Dan probably the same reason that when a Rep does something wrong you all jump all over it and they are guilty before innocent as well.

    On Carona, I am deeply saddened by all of this and don’t really know what to say to be honest. I am a Carona supporter from way back…when he first decided to run, so all of this has put me in kind of a loss for words.

    Then we have all this knee jerk BOS agenda items; to be able to remove another elected official…of course except another BOS member, lol; to change campaign contribution limits, which I agree with but it seems the timing right now is not be a good time for such items on the agenda’s.

    Makes me wonder if too many elected’s have their heads up their butts.

  8. just asking
    November 7, 2007 at 10:17 am


    You write, let it go, what does it matter what Jon thinks, who cares?

    Evidently you do, based on you opinions. Knee jerk BOS reactions, campaign limits, BOS exclusion from initiative and such. These are the issues. Flash doesn’t usually hide from these types of discussions, why now?

    If you were a supporter of Carona when he first ran, evidently at the very time the corruption was initiated according to the indictments and published reports. Too bad Carona didn’t emulate the virtues of many of his early supporters. A lot of good people were fooled and must be feeling a bit hurt about now.

    BTW go look at local elected websites, gone are all the photos arm and arm with “Americas Little Sheriff”!

  9. Dan Chmielewski
    November 7, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Flowerz, Jon has zero problem attacking Democrats in any capacity usually lashing them with all the negative phrases Newt Gingrich taught Republicans to use in 1994; as long as he has license to go after officials in my party, I reserve the right to do the same to his. The fact that his old boss is under a federal indictment for corruption is just more ammunition for me. And unlike Jon, we have no problem here criticizing Democrats who we disagree with. Senator Feinstein and State Senator Lou Correa get little love from this site. I think almost everyone in our blogpen is supporting someone different for president.

    With each passing day that there is no commentary or an avoidence of listing the sheriff’s office as a target by the BoS, there is just another shread of credability that goes down the drain from Flash…

  10. Dan Chmielewski
    November 7, 2007 at 10:51 am

    Flowerz — here is Jon’s commentary today? Just a tad mean-spirited? As I said, Jom has no problem slinging mud so he really can’t whine when we sling it back.

    You have wonder about “Light” Governor John Garamendi. Perhaps he just has too much time on his hands since, in the Golden State, his job is primarily to hang out and be available in case the Governor becomes incapacitated. We have a suggestion for Garamendi — perhaps he should spend some time in his posh office today, seeing if he is capable of patting the top of his head while he rubs his tummy at the same time. It would appear that Garamendi doesn’t believe that mature adults know how to multi-task.

    In an effort to win a “Hot Air” award from the FlashReport, Garamendi started flapping his jaws yesterday, complaining that State Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner shouldn’t be spending any time opposing the Perata/Nunez Term-Limits End Run Initiative because all of Poizner’s time should be spent dealing with the aftermath of the wildfires.

    I know, Lt. Governor, that it might blow you away to hear this, since I guess it doesn’t work so well for you… But Steve Poizner actually has enough time in his day to direct Department of Insurance efforts for wildfire victims and battle the political “elite class” that want to extend their time in the Halls of Power. Poizner also has enough to run the other affairs of his Agency, and also to be a husband and a father, too.

    Steve Poizner obviously cares about the future of California. After all, he’s willing to commit his own time and financial resources to fight for things that matter.

    Perhaps, Mr. Garamendi, when you have mastered that pat/rub thing, you can check in with the Governor’s office to find out if there are any state funerals needing your attention. Assuming you can handle attending something like that during the same week that you did some media interviews…

  11. RHackett
    November 7, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    I’m glad Jon is ignoring the Carona story. It only pushes his relevance further into the obscure realm. It’s been headed in that direction for some time. One of his writers had a post that showed the FR being mentioned by the Gov and implying its importance. The reality to those I’ve spoken with tell me the Gov’s remarks were more along the line of “who cares” about the FR.

    Soon enough only a few types will read it. Those who are true believers and enjoy talking to themselves. And those doing op research as noted in the testimonials section like Garry South.

    “Most people know I’m a big believer in opposition research. When I want to find out what the Luddites and troglodytes on the other side of the aisle are thinking, the FlashReport always provides good (and free) insight.” – Garry South, Democratic Strategist and Senior Advisor to the Westly for Governor Campaign Quote Link

  12. Flowerszzz
    November 7, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Dan I agree you can lash at him all you want…..lash away. I just thought/think it is silly is all. My opinion. It just seems common sense to me why he has not said anything, and why he most likely will not. Besides YOU dont consider his blog a credible news source anyway and are always advertising here that you read it so others dont have to.

  13. Flowerszzz
    November 7, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Just asking….yes according to the indictments it would appear that he is a bad man however, I am still considering the source (Jaramillo & Haidl) and will wait to completely judge him until he has his day in court. That is not to say that I dont take the allegations against him seriously…I do, and like I said above I am very sad about it. However, remember we are innocent until proven guilty.

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