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	<title>Comments on: Moorlach you spiked your Pension, get over it.</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: 'lil Eloi</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/09/20/moorlach-you-spiked-your-pension-get-over-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11179</link>
		<dc:creator>'lil Eloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moorlach&#039;s 200k doesn&#039;t include his ability to raise campaign funds and use those to offset certain expenses while in office. There is likely a plump and healthy expense account, filled with Lincoln Club dollars. I think these accounts are referred to as &quot;office holders expenses&quot; when elected&#039;s report it. 

One of the ways these &quot;office holders expenses&quot; monies can be used is for things like restaurant tabs (from plain meals to fancy-schmancy gourmet) when campaign business is discussed. I know I would love to afford dining out more often - and on someone else&#039;s tab...how about you? 

So, in addition to a 200K+ a year, there are many other perks of the office that make Moorlach&#039;s protestations about no sick leave and rising fuel prices sound like the whining of a spoiled child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moorlach&#8217;s 200k doesn&#8217;t include his ability to raise campaign funds and use those to offset certain expenses while in office. There is likely a plump and healthy expense account, filled with Lincoln Club dollars. I think these accounts are referred to as &#8220;office holders expenses&#8221; when elected&#8217;s report it. </p>
<p>One of the ways these &#8220;office holders expenses&#8221; monies can be used is for things like restaurant tabs (from plain meals to fancy-schmancy gourmet) when campaign business is discussed. I know I would love to afford dining out more often &#8211; and on someone else&#8217;s tab&#8230;how about you? </p>
<p>So, in addition to a 200K+ a year, there are many other perks of the office that make Moorlach&#8217;s protestations about no sick leave and rising fuel prices sound like the whining of a spoiled child.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthteller</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/09/20/moorlach-you-spiked-your-pension-get-over-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11178</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we just tell it like it is?
Moorlach is nothing but a slimy, greedy liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we just tell it like it is?<br />
Moorlach is nothing but a slimy, greedy liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/09/20/moorlach-you-spiked-your-pension-get-over-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11177</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the discussion of Agenda Item #26, at no point did the Board, in particular Supervisor Moorlach, address the fact that they were spiking their own 401(a) pension benefits.  The discussion on the agenda item focused entirely on the MOU&#039;s between the County and the Orange County Employee&#039;s Association.

This was classic misdirection on the part of the Board.  Combine a bunch of items together and then focus the discussion on only one aspect of the matters being approved.

The actions of Moorlach on this matter exhibit &lt;i&gt;a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that he does not really possess&lt;/i&gt;. That is the very definition of &lt;b&gt;HYPROCISY&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the discussion of Agenda Item #26, at no point did the Board, in particular Supervisor Moorlach, address the fact that they were spiking their own 401(a) pension benefits.  The discussion on the agenda item focused entirely on the MOU&#8217;s between the County and the Orange County Employee&#8217;s Association.</p>
<p>This was classic misdirection on the part of the Board.  Combine a bunch of items together and then focus the discussion on only one aspect of the matters being approved.</p>
<p>The actions of Moorlach on this matter exhibit <i>a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that he does not really possess</i>. That is the very definition of <b>HYPROCISY</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/09/20/moorlach-you-spiked-your-pension-get-over-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11174</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hackett,

I&#039;m going to hate myself in the morning for this, but in defence of Moorlach.  He only sipked his pension from that point forward and since he wasn&#039;t paying anything in the first place, there was no difference for him to pay.

His hypocrisy is not telling the public what pension benefits he gets while he attacks the benefits of public safety employees. He complains that the Sheriffs pay nothing towards their benefits, while he pays nothing towards his.  

Greenhut attacks Carona for defending the 3@50 retroactive benefit because Caorna gets that benefit.  Greenhut attacks the previous Supervisors for granting the 2.7 @ 55 pension benefit for other county workers, but he doesn&#039;t attack Moorlach for his participation in that plan.  Carona and Moorlach do not pay into their pension plans.  Why does Greenhut only attack Carona? Convienience of hypocrisy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hackett,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to hate myself in the morning for this, but in defence of Moorlach.  He only sipked his pension from that point forward and since he wasn&#8217;t paying anything in the first place, there was no difference for him to pay.</p>
<p>His hypocrisy is not telling the public what pension benefits he gets while he attacks the benefits of public safety employees. He complains that the Sheriffs pay nothing towards their benefits, while he pays nothing towards his.  </p>
<p>Greenhut attacks Carona for defending the 3@50 retroactive benefit because Caorna gets that benefit.  Greenhut attacks the previous Supervisors for granting the 2.7 @ 55 pension benefit for other county workers, but he doesn&#8217;t attack Moorlach for his participation in that plan.  Carona and Moorlach do not pay into their pension plans.  Why does Greenhut only attack Carona? Convienience of hypocrisy?</p>
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		<title>By: RHackett</title>
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		<dc:creator>RHackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On election night Moorlach was quoted as saying, &quot;Orange County is NOT France.&quot;  Folks like Greenhut proceeded to touch themselves inappropriately since they believed someone would be their champion of their wacked out belief in the la la land concept of the &quot;free market.&quot;

It must be difficult for little Stevie to realize his hero now has feet made of clay.  Moorlach spiked his pension without paying the difference.  Something he claims in the lawsuit he is ramrodding down the throats of the OC taxpayer as being a gift of public funds and hence unconstitutional.

One has to love the adage that absolute power corrupts absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On election night Moorlach was quoted as saying, &#8220;Orange County is NOT France.&#8221;  Folks like Greenhut proceeded to touch themselves inappropriately since they believed someone would be their champion of their wacked out belief in the la la land concept of the &#8220;free market.&#8221;</p>
<p>It must be difficult for little Stevie to realize his hero now has feet made of clay.  Moorlach spiked his pension without paying the difference.  Something he claims in the lawsuit he is ramrodding down the throats of the OC taxpayer as being a gift of public funds and hence unconstitutional.</p>
<p>One has to love the adage that absolute power corrupts absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moorlach gets the 2.7 @ 55 Retirement package when her retires. He also gets his 401(a) defined contribution benefit when he retires as well.

Moorlach did not opt out of the defined benefit plan that other workers get when he was appointed Treasurer in 1995.  He cannot opt out of that system and move to a straight defined contribution plan.

The only Supervisor that I am aware is not in the defined benefit plan is Patricia Bates.

So for  the sake of discussion, let&#039;s say that Moorlach will stay in elected County office until he is termed out as Supervisor in 2014. Let&#039;s assume the salary for a Supervisor goes up 3% a year.  They are at $137,321 in salary now, roughly in his last year of Service Moorlach will be making $168,887.51. At just under 20 years of continuous service, Supervisor Moorlach will have a monthly pension from the taxpayers of around $91,199.25 annually. On top of that he will have the money contributed to his 401(a) plan and what ever it has made.  

Other than the pick-up contribution for the increase in his pension rate to the 2.7% implemented in 2004, &lt;b&gt;Moorlach has not contributed a single penny to his retirement.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moorlach gets the 2.7 @ 55 Retirement package when her retires. He also gets his 401(a) defined contribution benefit when he retires as well.</p>
<p>Moorlach did not opt out of the defined benefit plan that other workers get when he was appointed Treasurer in 1995.  He cannot opt out of that system and move to a straight defined contribution plan.</p>
<p>The only Supervisor that I am aware is not in the defined benefit plan is Patricia Bates.</p>
<p>So for  the sake of discussion, let&#8217;s say that Moorlach will stay in elected County office until he is termed out as Supervisor in 2014. Let&#8217;s assume the salary for a Supervisor goes up 3% a year.  They are at $137,321 in salary now, roughly in his last year of Service Moorlach will be making $168,887.51. At just under 20 years of continuous service, Supervisor Moorlach will have a monthly pension from the taxpayers of around $91,199.25 annually. On top of that he will have the money contributed to his 401(a) plan and what ever it has made.  </p>
<p>Other than the pick-up contribution for the increase in his pension rate to the 2.7% implemented in 2004, <b>Moorlach has not contributed a single penny to his retirement.</b></p>
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		<title>By: 'lil Eloi</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/09/20/moorlach-you-spiked-your-pension-get-over-it/comment-page-1/#comment-11170</link>
		<dc:creator>'lil Eloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Moorlach challenged some of the information in Peggyâ€™s story, claiming that Supervisors do not get sick or vacation days.&quot; 

Moorlach can cry me a river! All told he makes over 200k and can take time off whenever he damn well pleases. Sounds good to me.

I can&#039;t wait to give Moorlach his performance eval come next election!

BTW, when does Moorlach start receiving retirement benefits from his days as Treasurer?  What kind of retirement package will Moorlach get as a Supervisor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moorlach challenged some of the information in Peggyâ€™s story, claiming that Supervisors do not get sick or vacation days.&#8221; </p>
<p>Moorlach can cry me a river! All told he makes over 200k and can take time off whenever he damn well pleases. Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to give Moorlach his performance eval come next election!</p>
<p>BTW, when does Moorlach start receiving retirement benefits from his days as Treasurer?  What kind of retirement package will Moorlach get as a Supervisor?</p>
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		<title>By: RHackett</title>
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		<dc:creator>RHackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this post by OC Dem over on the Orange Punch.

&lt;I&gt;Whereâ€™s your outrage over this action by the Supervisors being done in closed session away from the public scrutiny you demand of others. Moorlach has stated he wants to send further employee benefits to a public vote. Why didnâ€™t he lead by example and do that action with the benefits he voted to give himself?

Is there an engineer out there who can invent an ironometer? Our fortunes wait to be made just on the actions of Moorlach and writings of one Steven Greenhut.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course Greenhut responds with yet another diversionary tactic and doesn&#039;t answer the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post by OC Dem over on the Orange Punch.</p>
<p><i>Whereâ€™s your outrage over this action by the Supervisors being done in closed session away from the public scrutiny you demand of others. Moorlach has stated he wants to send further employee benefits to a public vote. Why didnâ€™t he lead by example and do that action with the benefits he voted to give himself?</p>
<p>Is there an engineer out there who can invent an ironometer? Our fortunes wait to be made just on the actions of Moorlach and writings of one Steven Greenhut.</i></p>
<p>Of course Greenhut responds with yet another diversionary tactic and doesn&#8217;t answer the questions.</p>
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