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	<title>Comments on: Speeding Our Way to Nonsense on the 241</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9332</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: me- You obviously haven&#039;t paid much attention to the struggle over Trestles. You may be able to &quot;live without it&quot;, but NOT the eleven threatened or endangered species who call Trestles home. You may be able to live without Trestles, but NOT all the surfers and beach lovers in South County who enjoy Trestles all the time. Maybe you can just hop on down to San Diego and act like Trestles never existed, but not all us OC locals.

Try thinking about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: me- You obviously haven&#8217;t paid much attention to the struggle over Trestles. You may be able to &#8220;live without it&#8221;, but NOT the eleven threatened or endangered species who call Trestles home. You may be able to live without Trestles, but NOT all the surfers and beach lovers in South County who enjoy Trestles all the time. Maybe you can just hop on down to San Diego and act like Trestles never existed, but not all us OC locals.</p>
<p>Try thinking about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Re: Andrew Davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Re: Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why destroy the last great untouched surf nirvana of Southern California?&quot;

You obviously do not surf. 

As an avid surfer I can honestly say I could live without Trestles much easier than other local SoCal surf spots like Black&#039;s, Wind &amp; Sea, and the Wedge (for the crazies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why destroy the last great untouched surf nirvana of Southern California?&#8221;</p>
<p>You obviously do not surf. </p>
<p>As an avid surfer I can honestly say I could live without Trestles much easier than other local SoCal surf spots like Black&#8217;s, Wind &amp; Sea, and the Wedge (for the crazies).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9312</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Paul. Ya know, I keep waiting for that as well. I&#039;m still waiting to see just how the Toll Road to Trestles would relieve traffic. &#039;Cuz so far, all the evidence I&#039;ve seen has shown the OPPOSITE. 

And if the Toll Road to Trestles doesn&#039;t relieve traffic in South County, then why do it? Why destroy the last great untouched surf nirvana of Southern California? Why violate state law? Why waste any more federal funds to promote this boondoggle?

Why build the Toll Road to Trestles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Paul. Ya know, I keep waiting for that as well. I&#8217;m still waiting to see just how the Toll Road to Trestles would relieve traffic. &#8216;Cuz so far, all the evidence I&#8217;ve seen has shown the OPPOSITE. </p>
<p>And if the Toll Road to Trestles doesn&#8217;t relieve traffic in South County, then why do it? Why destroy the last great untouched surf nirvana of Southern California? Why violate state law? Why waste any more federal funds to promote this boondoggle?</p>
<p>Why build the Toll Road to Trestles?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9311</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
Can you provide any significant clear eveidence that this toll road extension is necessary and needed for traffic relief in the area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
Can you provide any significant clear eveidence that this toll road extension is necessary and needed for traffic relief in the area?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9301</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good to know. :-)

And here&#039;s a lesson for everyone to learn: &lt;strong&gt;Give some evidence to back your claim as soon as you make it.&lt;/strong&gt; If you want me to believe it, show me why it&#039;s true. If not, don&#039;t expect me to treat it as truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good to know. <img src='http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And here&#8217;s a lesson for everyone to learn: <strong>Give some evidence to back your claim as soon as you make it.</strong> If you want me to believe it, show me why it&#8217;s true. If not, don&#8217;t expect me to treat it as truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for you, Andrew -- we&#039;re cool. Have a good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for you, Andrew &#8212; we&#8217;re cool. Have a good night.</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Jubal are you trying to tell us that you did not conduct any consulting at all for Sun Cal on the Marblehead project? Since when does your group work on a project by project basis? From what I understand as the â€œCommunity Outreachâ€ liaison, your consulting firm is in charge of all of SunCals Public Relations.&lt;/i&gt;

I think I understand my own business better than some anonymous commenter. My &quot;group&quot; is me and my wife. I don&#039;t have the bandwidth to handle &quot;SunCal Public relations&quot; even if I wanted to.

Your comment shows what should be  -- to you -- an embarrassing level of ignorance about me and the nature of my business. You might consider stopping before your embarrass yourself further. But I&#039;ll put it simply so you can understand: My work for SunCal has been on a project-by-project basis. They use different consultants for different projects. I worked on their Del Rio project for three years. Now I work on their proposed Platinum Pointe project in Anaheim. Sorry to disappoint you, but that&#039;s all.

If you&#039;re going to continue butting into my business and desire any answers, then put your name to your questions. Until you are able to do that, trot along  -- I wouldn&#039;t want you to miss the last Black Helicopter back to Paranoidville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jubal are you trying to tell us that you did not conduct any consulting at all for Sun Cal on the Marblehead project? Since when does your group work on a project by project basis? From what I understand as the â€œCommunity Outreachâ€ liaison, your consulting firm is in charge of all of SunCals Public Relations.</i></p>
<p>I think I understand my own business better than some anonymous commenter. My &#8220;group&#8221; is me and my wife. I don&#8217;t have the bandwidth to handle &#8220;SunCal Public relations&#8221; even if I wanted to.</p>
<p>Your comment shows what should be  &#8212; to you &#8212; an embarrassing level of ignorance about me and the nature of my business. You might consider stopping before your embarrass yourself further. But I&#8217;ll put it simply so you can understand: My work for SunCal has been on a project-by-project basis. They use different consultants for different projects. I worked on their Del Rio project for three years. Now I work on their proposed Platinum Pointe project in Anaheim. Sorry to disappoint you, but that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to continue butting into my business and desire any answers, then put your name to your questions. Until you are able to do that, trot along  &#8212; I wouldn&#8217;t want you to miss the last Black Helicopter back to Paranoidville.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jubal are you trying to tell us that you did not conduct any consulting at all for Sun Cal on the Marblehead project? Since when does your group work on a project by project basis? From what I understand as the &quot;Community Outreach&quot; liaison, your consulting firm is in charge of all of SunCals Public Relations.

Are you asking us to believe that the Marblehead Project wont benefit from the traffic relief that the Marblehead Project actually creates where the is currently none? The traffic in that area wonâ€™t be there until the Marblehead project is complete. 

No one else in the area is going to benefit from that Toll Road extension except Marblehead Residents. The value on those Mansions will be considerably affected by a daily traffic jam created by the very enclave they have etched out for themselves on the last remaining Coastal Bluff in Orange County. 

You say you have not consulted on the Marblehead Project. Ok. Has anyone on your team consulted on the project? Has your firm consulted or is your firm consulting on the Marblehead project? I may not be working on the Precedent Setting case of the year but another attorney at my firm may be on the case. So again I ask, is YOUR FIRM or Team Members working on the Marblehead Project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jubal are you trying to tell us that you did not conduct any consulting at all for Sun Cal on the Marblehead project? Since when does your group work on a project by project basis? From what I understand as the &#8220;Community Outreach&#8221; liaison, your consulting firm is in charge of all of SunCals Public Relations.</p>
<p>Are you asking us to believe that the Marblehead Project wont benefit from the traffic relief that the Marblehead Project actually creates where the is currently none? The traffic in that area wonâ€™t be there until the Marblehead project is complete. </p>
<p>No one else in the area is going to benefit from that Toll Road extension except Marblehead Residents. The value on those Mansions will be considerably affected by a daily traffic jam created by the very enclave they have etched out for themselves on the last remaining Coastal Bluff in Orange County. </p>
<p>You say you have not consulted on the Marblehead Project. Ok. Has anyone on your team consulted on the project? Has your firm consulted or is your firm consulting on the Marblehead project? I may not be working on the Precedent Setting case of the year but another attorney at my firm may be on the case. So again I ask, is YOUR FIRM or Team Members working on the Marblehead Project?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/26/speeding-our-way-to-nonsense-on-the-241/comment-page-1/#comment-9293</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, everyone! Let&#039;s all breathe. Again, Matt, if the allegation is false, then you have nothing to worry about. If I don&#039;t see the evidence, I won&#039;t call it the truth.

And you&#039;re totally right on, Dan! None of us gets paid for ANYTHING we say here on The Liberal OC. We do this out of the love of our hearts!

Oh, and you DO make a valid point, Just Curious, about disclosure. Since none of us gets paid for what we say on The Liberal OC, you all know that we say what we say because that&#039;s what we believe is best for the community. But if any of us happen to blog about someone we&#039;re consulting for and/or selling services to, WE SHOULD DISCLOSE. That should be Rule #1 of Blogworld Etiquette.

OK, so is this a night? I&#039;m home now, and I&#039;m ready to go to bed. If something else comes up, I&#039;ll see it in the morning. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, everyone! Let&#8217;s all breathe. Again, Matt, if the allegation is false, then you have nothing to worry about. If I don&#8217;t see the evidence, I won&#8217;t call it the truth.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re totally right on, Dan! None of us gets paid for ANYTHING we say here on The Liberal OC. We do this out of the love of our hearts!</p>
<p>Oh, and you DO make a valid point, Just Curious, about disclosure. Since none of us gets paid for what we say on The Liberal OC, you all know that we say what we say because that&#8217;s what we believe is best for the community. But if any of us happen to blog about someone we&#8217;re consulting for and/or selling services to, WE SHOULD DISCLOSE. That should be Rule #1 of Blogworld Etiquette.</p>
<p>OK, so is this a night? I&#8217;m home now, and I&#8217;m ready to go to bed. If something else comes up, I&#8217;ll see it in the morning. <img src='http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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