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	<title>Comments on: Moorlach&#8217;s Folly</title>
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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: buck henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-10282</link>
		<dc:creator>buck henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The repubs and all on this board who did not strangle this goofy baby in the cradle will end up looking foolish in the extreme--- I am a 30 year lawyer practicing in LA and OC--- 10 minutes of legal research reveals Calif. Supreme Court holdings in each of his 3 areas of con law &quot;theory&quot; are 100% in support of the public employee and the clearly vested pension----- this type of retirement is specifically exempt from the proscription he claims---- who on earth has done his research? This is bush league and odd..... he should have to pay the legal fees instead of wasting our money by redecorating his office...I was blown away to wwatch all the lemming sups vote to move this to the next stage--- I sincerely hope that gov employees do the right thing when this is over and work hard to get these clowns out of office--- I am sure they will...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The repubs and all on this board who did not strangle this goofy baby in the cradle will end up looking foolish in the extreme&#8212; I am a 30 year lawyer practicing in LA and OC&#8212; 10 minutes of legal research reveals Calif. Supreme Court holdings in each of his 3 areas of con law &#8220;theory&#8221; are 100% in support of the public employee and the clearly vested pension&#8212;&#8211; this type of retirement is specifically exempt from the proscription he claims&#8212;- who on earth has done his research? This is bush league and odd&#8230;.. he should have to pay the legal fees instead of wasting our money by redecorating his office&#8230;I was blown away to wwatch all the lemming sups vote to move this to the next stage&#8212; I sincerely hope that gov employees do the right thing when this is over and work hard to get these clowns out of office&#8212; I am sure they will&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: moorlach supporter</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-9869</link>
		<dc:creator>moorlach supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An employer&#039;s contributions to a pension fund are a form of deferred compensation.  OC should simply stop paying the portion that pertains to retroactive benefit liability and let the unions decide how to subsidize the guys who&#039;ve already retired on higher-than-earned pensions.  The state constitution is clear:  extra compensation for services already rendered is illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An employer&#8217;s contributions to a pension fund are a form of deferred compensation.  OC should simply stop paying the portion that pertains to retroactive benefit liability and let the unions decide how to subsidize the guys who&#8217;ve already retired on higher-than-earned pensions.  The state constitution is clear:  extra compensation for services already rendered is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: RHackett</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-9489</link>
		<dc:creator>RHackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some more math.  The county is going to spend millions and won&#039;t change a darn thing.  This case is a joke.  More holes than a screen door.

It will prove that conservatives think nothing of spending millions of dollars for their own self aggrandizement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some more math.  The county is going to spend millions and won&#8217;t change a darn thing.  This case is a joke.  More holes than a screen door.</p>
<p>It will prove that conservatives think nothing of spending millions of dollars for their own self aggrandizement.</p>
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		<title>By: DooDah</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-9484</link>
		<dc:creator>DooDah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see: A couple million $$ to avoid paying 2 billion $$$$$$. Sounds like a good investment!  Because if the OC has to pay it all, it&#039;s going broke anyway -- what&#039;s a couple extra $$ on top of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see: A couple million $$ to avoid paying 2 billion $$$$$$. Sounds like a good investment!  Because if the OC has to pay it all, it&#8217;s going broke anyway &#8212; what&#8217;s a couple extra $$ on top of it?</p>
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		<title>By: RHackett</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-9225</link>
		<dc:creator>RHackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting letter in today&#039;s OC Register.

&lt;I&gt;In one noteworthy week, Supervisors John Moorlach and Chris Norby made it easier for marijuana smokers to get high while at the same time they proposed a plan that would cut the pensions of thousands of current and retired cops. Unbelievable. I never thought I would see the day when Orange County druggies would cheer the supervisors while the cops jeered them.

How embarrassing.

Steven Christian of Orange&lt;/I&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting letter in today&#8217;s OC Register.</p>
<p><i>In one noteworthy week, Supervisors John Moorlach and Chris Norby made it easier for marijuana smokers to get high while at the same time they proposed a plan that would cut the pensions of thousands of current and retired cops. Unbelievable. I never thought I would see the day when Orange County druggies would cheer the supervisors while the cops jeered them.</p>
<p>How embarrassing.</p>
<p>Steven Christian of Orange</i></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2007/07/23/moorlachs-folly/comment-page-1/#comment-9218</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, 
For the purpose of discussing a pension plan, and even a 401K plan compensation is wages paid to an employee for labor performed. This is usually calculated by multiplying an hourly rate by a number of hours worked (or compensated in the case of vacation, sick, and holiday pay).

Pension benefits are then calculated based upon the compensation earned by an individual employee.  An employees pension is not calculated by considering their wages and benefits recieved. Only wages are used. You don&#039;t add in the amount of the employee&#039;s health plan and their pension contribution paid by the employer to determine their base compensation for calculating their pension benefit.

Therefore since the retroactive increase in pension benefit cannot be considered compensation, Moorlach&#039;s claim that pension benefits are extra compensation for services already performed is on its face flawed.  

Pensions are a benefit accrued over the time of an employee&#039;s service. No matter how much Moorlach tries to turn logic and common sense on its head, he is still wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
For the purpose of discussing a pension plan, and even a 401K plan compensation is wages paid to an employee for labor performed. This is usually calculated by multiplying an hourly rate by a number of hours worked (or compensated in the case of vacation, sick, and holiday pay).</p>
<p>Pension benefits are then calculated based upon the compensation earned by an individual employee.  An employees pension is not calculated by considering their wages and benefits recieved. Only wages are used. You don&#8217;t add in the amount of the employee&#8217;s health plan and their pension contribution paid by the employer to determine their base compensation for calculating their pension benefit.</p>
<p>Therefore since the retroactive increase in pension benefit cannot be considered compensation, Moorlach&#8217;s claim that pension benefits are extra compensation for services already performed is on its face flawed.  </p>
<p>Pensions are a benefit accrued over the time of an employee&#8217;s service. No matter how much Moorlach tries to turn logic and common sense on its head, he is still wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Prevatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Prevatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aunt Millie, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You claim that Supervisor Moorlach is a &quot;principled conservative&quot; and the the action he is proposing is consistent with his oath of office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a few questions for you.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Which &quot;principles,&quot; specifically, are you assigning to Supervisor Moorlach?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. If a Supervisor were to disagree with any of his &quot;constitutional theories&quot; that they are not living up to their oath of office? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. If a Supervisor were to take an act that was unconstitutional based upon Supervisor Moorlachs theories, that they would be in violation of their oath of office?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aunt Millie, </p>
<p>You claim that Supervisor Moorlach is a &#8220;principled conservative&#8221; and the the action he is proposing is consistent with his oath of office.</p>
<p>I have a few questions for you.  </p>
<p>1. Which &#8220;principles,&#8221; specifically, are you assigning to Supervisor Moorlach?  </p>
<p>2. If a Supervisor were to disagree with any of his &#8220;constitutional theories&#8221; that they are not living up to their oath of office? </p>
<p>3. If a Supervisor were to take an act that was unconstitutional based upon Supervisor Moorlachs theories, that they would be in violation of their oath of office?</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Aunt Millie. I hadn&#039;t seen your comment when I commented. It&#039;s just that your usual tendency with me is, regrettably,  to call me a series of names and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Aunt Millie. I hadn&#8217;t seen your comment when I commented. It&#8217;s just that your usual tendency with me is, regrettably,  to call me a series of names and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Millie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Millie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Jubal,

Here I am agreeing with you on this subject,  and you need to gratuitously attack me.Such class.

Nevertheless, I&#039;ll continue to object to Chris&#039; arguments on this issue. The Constitution of the state  of California as written and subsequently amended  limits the power of  elected representatives on taxation and certain  fiscal matters.

I think Moorlach has made a great case here that the previous board of supervisors acted illegally in granting exorbitant benefits in excess of their legal authority. And Moorlach is the type of principled conservative who is extinct in the corrupt national Republican party, willing to criticize  powerful political interests and his own party.

As to the argument that tax dollars should not be used to pursue this, there is a smoetimes distasteful yet fundamental requirement for government to expend money on legal matters if they are acting to honor their oath of office to defend the Constitution of the State of California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Jubal,</p>
<p>Here I am agreeing with you on this subject,  and you need to gratuitously attack me.Such class.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I&#8217;ll continue to object to Chris&#8217; arguments on this issue. The Constitution of the state  of California as written and subsequently amended  limits the power of  elected representatives on taxation and certain  fiscal matters.</p>
<p>I think Moorlach has made a great case here that the previous board of supervisors acted illegally in granting exorbitant benefits in excess of their legal authority. And Moorlach is the type of principled conservative who is extinct in the corrupt national Republican party, willing to criticize  powerful political interests and his own party.</p>
<p>As to the argument that tax dollars should not be used to pursue this, there is a smoetimes distasteful yet fundamental requirement for government to expend money on legal matters if they are acting to honor their oath of office to defend the Constitution of the State of California.</p>
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