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	<description>Challenging Orange County&#039;s right-wing noise machine</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2006/11/27/the-flash-retort/comment-page-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- again, having not known you nor Jon I was planning on sleeping through that PRSA presentation.  But within a few minutes Jon had derided my political party, a profession I once practiced, and one my wife still toils at as well as a number of dear friends, so pretty easy to see why it remains a vivid picture for me.

In reading Jon&#039;s bio on Flash Report, I have just discovered he is a cancer survivor.  Having lost other family members to cancer, I would say that surviving any type of cancer is cause for celebration.  My use of the term &quot;testicular fortitude&quot; in my original post was only a metaphor and not meant as a verbal below the belt punch.  And frankly, it was meant as a tribute to Chris P who clearly has the backbone to speak truth to power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; again, having not known you nor Jon I was planning on sleeping through that PRSA presentation.  But within a few minutes Jon had derided my political party, a profession I once practiced, and one my wife still toils at as well as a number of dear friends, so pretty easy to see why it remains a vivid picture for me.</p>
<p>In reading Jon&#8217;s bio on Flash Report, I have just discovered he is a cancer survivor.  Having lost other family members to cancer, I would say that surviving any type of cancer is cause for celebration.  My use of the term &#8220;testicular fortitude&#8221; in my original post was only a metaphor and not meant as a verbal below the belt punch.  And frankly, it was meant as a tribute to Chris P who clearly has the backbone to speak truth to power.</p>
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		<title>By: Elroy El</title>
		<link>http://www.theliberaloc.com/2006/11/27/the-flash-retort/comment-page-1/#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Elroy El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jubal.  It has meaning since it is people like Fleischman who put forth the myth that GOP folks shrink government and dems expand it.  Certainly Jon knows the truth and spouts the rhetoric despite the facts.  So then it becomes a case of whether he is stupid and ignores the facts, or is he lying.

I would always get a chuckle out of Jon&#039;s spouting of taxation being an infringement of liberty and that taxes were so wrong because they were taken by force.

Yet he never had much moral guilt out of taking my forcibly taken tax dollars that infringed upon my liberty while being the OCSD spokesperson.

Clearly Jon didn&#039;t mind applying a double standard to himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jubal.  It has meaning since it is people like Fleischman who put forth the myth that GOP folks shrink government and dems expand it.  Certainly Jon knows the truth and spouts the rhetoric despite the facts.  So then it becomes a case of whether he is stupid and ignores the facts, or is he lying.</p>
<p>I would always get a chuckle out of Jon&#8217;s spouting of taxation being an infringement of liberty and that taxes were so wrong because they were taken by force.</p>
<p>Yet he never had much moral guilt out of taking my forcibly taken tax dollars that infringed upon my liberty while being the OCSD spokesperson.</p>
<p>Clearly Jon didn&#8217;t mind applying a double standard to himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you were pretty good; you sounded generally excited about what blogging holds for communicators.  I don&#039;t remember the Huffington story.  Your piece was satted with a sense of confidence and enthusiasm, though you also bought into the notion that everyone in the room was a Republican.

To your last post to Elroy above, cutting taxes in a time of war was and is idiotic.  First time its ever happened and not only has our treasury gone from surplus to massive deficit, but our national debt has ballooned to the point where we support our lifestyle through the good graces of the PRC, the Japanese and the Saudis.  I will say this; Republicans are great at winnnig elections and awful at actually governing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you were pretty good; you sounded generally excited about what blogging holds for communicators.  I don&#8217;t remember the Huffington story.  Your piece was satted with a sense of confidence and enthusiasm, though you also bought into the notion that everyone in the room was a Republican.</p>
<p>To your last post to Elroy above, cutting taxes in a time of war was and is idiotic.  First time its ever happened and not only has our treasury gone from surplus to massive deficit, but our national debt has ballooned to the point where we support our lifestyle through the good graces of the PRC, the Japanese and the Saudis.  I will say this; Republicans are great at winnnig elections and awful at actually governing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elroy,

I understood what you were saying. I don&#039;t get the point of pointing out that Republicans haven&#039;t achieved their goals like shrinking the size of government. That&#039;s a huge reason why so many Republicans like myself have become disenchanted with the national GOP -- not to mentioned the Schwarzeneggerized version in CA.

The best we&#039;ve been able to achieve at the national level was to slow the rate of growth during the era of divided government in the 80s and 90s.

That&#039;s why conservative GOPers are so angry. For 40 years we told ourselves, &quot;If only we had control of Congress AND the White House, then we could really make progress in shrinking government.&quot; When we finally got it, the opposite happened (with the salutary exception of cutting taxes).

Hence, many conservatives -- the grass roots of the GOP -- had a hard time caring about retaining control of Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elroy,</p>
<p>I understood what you were saying. I don&#8217;t get the point of pointing out that Republicans haven&#8217;t achieved their goals like shrinking the size of government. That&#8217;s a huge reason why so many Republicans like myself have become disenchanted with the national GOP &#8212; not to mentioned the Schwarzeneggerized version in CA.</p>
<p>The best we&#8217;ve been able to achieve at the national level was to slow the rate of growth during the era of divided government in the 80s and 90s.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why conservative GOPers are so angry. For 40 years we told ourselves, &#8220;If only we had control of Congress AND the White House, then we could really make progress in shrinking government.&#8221; When we finally got it, the opposite happened (with the salutary exception of cutting taxes).</p>
<p>Hence, many conservatives &#8212; the grass roots of the GOP &#8212; had a hard time caring about retaining control of Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Candidly, I only vaguely remember Jon&#039;s story. I can hardly remember what I said, either. I think I told a war story from the Mike Huffington campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Candidly, I only vaguely remember Jon&#8217;s story. I can hardly remember what I said, either. I think I told a war story from the Mike Huffington campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Chmielewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Chmielewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for my psychic powers, I meant to write I â€œgetâ€ the impression, not â€œguess.â€ I donâ€™t like when others pretend to know my mind, so I wonâ€™t pretend to know yours.  

Dude -- typos happen and I was only poking fun at ya because, if you&#039;l recall, you&#039;ve suggested psychic powers of me; don&#039;t sweat it.. typos happen and so do misintended words.  I do it all the time and it happens when the mind works faster than the fingers can type.

Of course Carona doesn&#039;t have a problem with Jon blogging as long as he&#039;s not the subject of any of the stories.  

Sorry, Jon was and Chris is an employee of Orange County.  Same rules should apply.  I will take your word for it that he follows the rules.  But for Jon, he told an elaborate story about the Register reporter and he led us to believe he got the reporter fired (you were there, what did you think?).  It was easily exposed.  I&#039;ll take your word for it.  But I won&#039;t take his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for my psychic powers, I meant to write I â€œgetâ€ the impression, not â€œguess.â€ I donâ€™t like when others pretend to know my mind, so I wonâ€™t pretend to know yours.  </p>
<p>Dude &#8212; typos happen and I was only poking fun at ya because, if you&#8217;l recall, you&#8217;ve suggested psychic powers of me; don&#8217;t sweat it.. typos happen and so do misintended words.  I do it all the time and it happens when the mind works faster than the fingers can type.</p>
<p>Of course Carona doesn&#8217;t have a problem with Jon blogging as long as he&#8217;s not the subject of any of the stories.  </p>
<p>Sorry, Jon was and Chris is an employee of Orange County.  Same rules should apply.  I will take your word for it that he follows the rules.  But for Jon, he told an elaborate story about the Register reporter and he led us to believe he got the reporter fired (you were there, what did you think?).  It was easily exposed.  I&#8217;ll take your word for it.  But I won&#8217;t take his.</p>
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		<title>By: Elroy El</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elroy El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jubal.  Considering that shrinking government is a major plank and/or claim of conservatives it is ironic that GOP&#039;s claims consist of rhetoric they have yet to realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jubal.  Considering that shrinking government is a major plank and/or claim of conservatives it is ironic that GOP&#8217;s claims consist of rhetoric they have yet to realize.</p>
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		<title>By: the serrach says..</title>
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		<dc:creator>the serrach says..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dunno what the point was jubal, but i too remember when repubs were into shrinking govt instead of growing it. it used to be your saving grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno what the point was jubal, but i too remember when repubs were into shrinking govt instead of growing it. it used to be your saving grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elroy:

I don&#039;t think any GOP governor has shrunk the size of government.

What&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elroy:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any GOP governor has shrunk the size of government.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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